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unndunn t1_j1m09d1 wrote

Quasi-mandatory tipping culture is stupid, and the only way it goes away is if everyone stops tipping. But we get a regular cadence of these kinds of articles, with people saying “if you don’t tip, you’re an asshole“, so tipping culture continues.

If I’m ordering from an app, I’m already paying delivery and service fees. Why aren’t those being used to pay the delivery people a fair wage? Why do I also have to pay a tip?

Tipping should be a reward for good service, it shouldn’t be a mandatory requirement.

Edit: lol here we go with the “if you don’t tip, you’re an asshole” comments. Why is it never “if the business doesn’t pay appropriate wages, they’re assholes”?

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FreedmF1ghter77 t1_j1mnzxl wrote

Most people in this subreddit are absolute fucking idiots

I agree, Tips shouldn't be mandatory. We are technically picking up the slack of paying employees from the owner. People are willing to yell at you for not tipping, same idiots in this sub thinking they are in the moral high ground.

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[deleted] t1_j2035g4 wrote

What is the last sentence supposed to convey? It's confusing.

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[deleted] t1_j1n123y wrote

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avd706 t1_j1n1zae wrote

Corporation and Government will never fix anything for us.

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eekamuse t1_j1m94sh wrote

If you want change, do something about it. Fight for new legislation, contact your representatives, restaurant groups, organize.

Not tipping is cheap and lazy and won't achieve anything. And will harm people that are working hard

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wilbur_cob_88 t1_j1msbbt wrote

it's on the workers to fight for their rights, no?
I tip delivery service but the system is stupid and I hope it goes away

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sundaysarelikethat t1_j1n2mcz wrote

trust me no tipped worker is fighting to get rid of tips. Ive been a server in manhattan i know exactly how much $ in tips these ppl bring in. Theres no way restaurant owners are going to match that out of their own pockets. They couldnt afford to if they wanted to

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SBAPERSON t1_j1ob9mt wrote

Yepppp people cry and sob about tips and how "unfair" it is but tipped wage workers make a shit ton.

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wilbur_cob_88 t1_j1msk8p wrote

I agree. nobody is calling employers assholes for not paying their workers

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CrashTestDumby1984 t1_j1m5ww9 wrote

Sure in the long term that might get rid of tipping, but in the short term you’re already fucking over people who depend on those tips to live. Tipping culture IS stupid, the same way our health care system is stupid but that’s our reality right now. If you’re really that morally opposed to tipping culture maybe just don’t order delivery

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Dddddddfried t1_j1me8ro wrote

If you're not gonna tip the people delivering your food then you should go out and pick it up yourself. Delivery is a service. No one's making you use the apps

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Babhadfad12 t1_j1mr0ny wrote

And no one is making someone else agree to deliver something for less than price they expect.

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RepresentativeAge444 t1_j1nuqg3 wrote

Because people have been brainwashed into believing that not believing in tipping makes you cheap. This propaganda is of course encouraged by business interests that don’t want to pay living wages. I tip 20% on average unless service is abysmal but I believe tipping should be phased out and living wages provides to these workers.

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SBAPERSON t1_j1ob3qj wrote

Tipped workers make more, many leave when high wages replace tips

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whawhawhubsyloot t1_j1m5w14 wrote

Then don't use these apps that don't pay their workers. But if you are going to use them knowing that your delivery person will not be properly compensated for their work, and you are fine with that, sure. Shitty delivery service companies aside, maybe tip your driver since they are not on the board of said company and are just trying to make a living and you not tipping them is not going to change the fact that they aren't payed a salary

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Paid-Not-Payed-Bot t1_j1m5wr4 wrote

> they aren't paid a salary

FTFY.

Although payed exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:

  • Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. The deck is yet to be payed.

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vowelqueue t1_j1mosx4 wrote

> If I’m ordering from an app, I’m already paying delivery and service fees. Why aren’t those being used to pay the delivery people a fair wage? Why do I also have to pay a tip?

The unfortunate answer is that these fees are reaped by the delivery app middlemen (UberEats, Seamless, DoorDash, etc), who are taking something like 20% of the sale. People are certainly paying enough money for their meals but it's being siphoned away, not even going to the local restaurants or delivery people.

This is especially sad for NYC because we've had really good delivery options for decades, long before these delivery apps existed. While I understand it's more convenient to order from an app instead of by picking up a phone, I don't think that convenience is worth anything close to what these apps are charging. Prices having gone way up in the past 2-3 years such that we've normalized paying a lot for delivery, but the extra fees aren't going to the people deserving of them (i.e. the delivery people primarily and restaurants secondarily).

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