allergat0r t1_iz9hbvu wrote on December 7, 2022 at 1:48 PM

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>I’m not a Trump fan

You're running the risk of sounding like one. Who otherwise would believe for a second that he supports the Second Amendment because he philosophically believes in it? How many times times has he tried to shoot down a different opinion? How much times has he praised authoritarian governments? And how many signs do you need in order to see the dictator in him?

SanDieganNewYorker t1_iz9i66a wrote on December 7, 2022 at 1:55 PM

I’m willing to take that risk for the sake of (attempted) objectivity. I don’t see things in black and white. My wife, a Trump fan, does. Most of my friends, Biden fans, do.

I’d argue that Trump did some good, even if I do have to hunt for it. It’s equally undeniable that Trump created an existential threat.

I don’t think I’m a fan for seeing the good and bad in someone’s time in office. I’m a realist.

allergat0r t1_izaqgzk wrote on December 7, 2022 at 6:58 PM

I think the internet can always use some charity, but not this time, not to this particular person. I'm sure Hitler has done one thing or two positive in his life time too, but I'd be surprised if anyone is equally charitable to him. When the whites and blacks are extremely unbalanced, it is legitimate to be black and white.

SanDieganNewYorker t1_izarglj wrote on December 7, 2022 at 7:04 PM

I’ll add only that if one does demographic analysis of voters in 2020, I believe Trump increased his vote in every single category over 2016 and even over 2012 for the GOP candidate except for suburban white women, who went hard for Biden. (Seeing as he couldn’t go hard for them.)

I don’t think Hitler had that broad of a demographic appeal.

You can have the last word.