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iStealyournewspapers t1_izcyji8 wrote

Christ dude, we’re talking about one massive piece of shit rapist douche bag here. We’re not about to start segregating wealthy businessmen from the population. They do that by themselves anyway.


delinquentfatcat t1_izd2cuo wrote

If Trump is all of these things, he should be tried, convicted and sentenced for it (and this is already happening). However, persecution of people we don't like by arbitrary decree is never okay in a democracy. Such a mentality leads to witch hunts and lynch mobs.


iStealyournewspapers t1_izd3czx wrote

Such a mentality can, but in this case we all know he’s a total piece of shit that’s fucked up or ruined a ridiculous amount of decent people’s lives, and he’s a proven con man. It’s like saying OJ wasn’t proven guilty so we should give him a pass when we all know he did it. I’m not saying we go after him or Trump w pitchforks, but we can still treat them like the garbage humans they are.


delinquentfatcat t1_izd5ajd wrote

I don't disagree with you about Trump. However, "we all know" is one of the most dangerous phrases ever spoken (no accident that Trump uses it often). We = the mob, which can be wrong and often is.

The case of OJ was probably a miscarriage of justice, but the case was tainted by a detective shown to have bias against black people. For this reason alone, many would not sign off under "we all know" and he was acquitted.

Another example is Kyle Rittenhouse. Slandered as a white supremacist by President Biden and the entire left-leaning press, expelled from uni, received death threats etc. because of what supposedly "everyone knew", until eventually cleared of all charges and mischaracterizations based on extensive evidence.


iStealyournewspapers t1_izd76ye wrote

Yeah you’re not wrong about any of this, and a measured mind like yours is definitely what this country could use more of. Fuck Rittenhouse too though. He still had no business showing up at that scene with a gun from out of state. And it’s not like he’s shown himself to be an especially decent human even with the trial’s outcome. Mark my words we’ll be hearing seeing some new bad shit from him in the years to come.


delinquentfatcat t1_izdbdb8 wrote

The story about the gun being out of state is yet another myth that was debunked in court:

As for him having "no business" showing up, this happened at a time when the authorities refused to protect public safety, throwing small business owners and employees under the bus. But yes, after all the trauma and being unpersoned by half the country, he could end up in the company of legit extremists. If this happens, it will be yet another sad outcome.


iStealyournewspapers t1_izdgiof wrote

Oh I didn’t mean he illegally brought the gun, just that he came from out of state (with a gun).


delinquentfatcat t1_izdkk8e wrote

This is also incorrect, his gun was already in Wisconsin. He lived next to the state boundary -- an accident of geography. We're not North Korea and you're allowed to visit your friend 20 miles away, even if that happens to be another state. Mentioning the state border serves no purpose here, other than making him sound nefarious for no legitimate reason.

I initially thought Rittenhouse is a villain. This story is exactly why I don't trust the public and the media to decide who is bad and who isn't.