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stalkingshadow01 t1_j0uv7i1 wrote
If feds don’t give us more money to help migrants, we might as well bus them to DC. It’s their job to figure out the immigration policy. I’d hate to see City services cut because of this.
Use-Quirky t1_j0v3t6p wrote
Feds should transfer money allocated to southern bored to NY. A) we should receive some as we are now supporting more people. B) southern states might rethink their strategy
A_Human_Like_You t1_j0v3xpj wrote
Literal pea brains running local govts it seems. Love the status quo.
Curiosities t1_j0v7e3g wrote
Where are the lawsuits intended to stop this from happening? These people are likely not being moved voluntarily, potentially being misled, some of these may not be legal to send them, and they're being sent far from the immigration courts handling their cases. How will they report to their hearings if they are thousands of miles away? etc
Using people as pawns in stunts like this needs to be halted.
kiklion t1_j0v8nsd wrote
How much funding per immigrant is sent to southern states to house the immigrants until their court case?
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MeatballMadness t1_j0v9abn wrote
Yes, they should be left to sleep under the bridges in El Paso with the other thousands of people crossing the border every week. How dare they be moved near me where I have to deal with them in person and not wax poetic about them on the internet.
Out of sight, out of mind.
mdude04 t1_j0vczxe wrote
There's a very straightforward process to change the venue of your immigration case. But most likely if they are being bused here directly after crossing the border, they would put New York as their place of residence before ever being assigned to an immigration judge in the first place
rpm33119 t1_j0vd4ml wrote
So 0 dollars, NYC will get 0 dollars.
PuppedMyAchilles t1_j0vdbqd wrote
Yuma is currently seeing 1000+ crossings per day. New York is losing it over a couple of buses. By the time the other 15 arrive, Yuma which is a city of 100k residents will have seen 10,000+ more migrants than New York, a city more than 80x larger.
Whatever slice federal funding Yuma gets is likely a tiny fraction of NYC’s budget, and yuma would keep 99% of that budget if it were to be allocated between them and nyc in proportion to number of migrants.
Lest we forget, mta elevators in NYC cost $110m, so to even think this city would be able to provide a solution with the minimal federal funding it would get (and deserve at current levels) is laughable.
xterminatorofCauca t1_j0vgevk wrote
That's pretty much what the entire country wants out of mind out of sight. You have a small amount that care and a good percentage that acts like they care but don't want them anywhere near them
Puzzleheaded_Okra_21 t1_j0vgs78 wrote
I, for one, don't see any issues with this. Migrants bring prosperity and diversity to our society and are always welcome.
spicytoastaficionado t1_j0vhwg4 wrote
>These people are likely not being moved voluntarily,
Everyone who is bussed signs a consent form that is available in multiple languages.
The consent form with the migrant's signature can be verified via barcode bracelet which also includes their ID info. Bizarrely, politicians here are really mad at TX providing migrants with a form of ID.
You can find multiple articles, such as this one, where migrants are thankful for free bus rides to friendlier jurisdictions like D.C. and NYC.
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>potentially being misled
Economic migrants were misled by coyotes who promised them citizenship in the US; not the TX governor who truthfully and accurately told them that the mayor of NYC would welcome them with open arms.
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>some of these may not be legal to send them
The migrants being bussed here have been released from federal custody. Why would it not be legal to offer them a free bus ride?
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>they're being sent far from the immigration courts handling their cases. How will they report to their hearings if they are thousands of miles away? etc
Migrants released into the U.S. are given instructions on checking in with immigration. They are not bound to a specific office and at this point they haven't even been assigned a court date or a judge yet.
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>Using people as pawns in stunts like this needs to be halted.
Agreed. The mayor of our city shouldn't have talked so much shit and exploited the migrant crisis to get some good PR which inspired the governor of TX to call his bluff.
Publicity stunts beget publicity stunts. Go figure.
spicytoastaficionado t1_j0vl0p9 wrote
>Feds should transfer money allocated to southern bored to NY.
Federal funds allocated to the southern border specifically is for federal resources such as border security, migrant detention, and federal personnel staffing. If you think the migrant crisis is bad now, what do you think would happen without any border patrol?
Federal humanitarian aid is given to NGOs as grants; not deposited into the coffers of border states.
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> A) we should receive some as we are now supporting more people.
If you took the NGO humanitarian aid that United Way spends in TX and had them disperse some of it to NYC based on proportion of migrants who are sent here, we'd get like pennies on the dollar.
Border towns in TX deal with tens of thousands of migrants arrivals per week on top of all the ones who are residing in the state. Can't compare their situation with NYC.
Federal border patrol records upwards of a quarter-million migrant encounters per month. If feds took away their funding as you suggested, you'd have literally millions of people entering the country every month.
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> B) southern states might rethink their strategy
Southern states wouldn't re-think their strategy if feds transferred their border patrol funds to NY.
They'd just send even more busses.
spicytoastaficionado t1_j0vm542 wrote
>Yuma is currently seeing 1000+ crossings per day. New York is losing it over a couple of buses.
Yeah the situation here is bad, but a recurring trend on this sub is that people really have no idea how insane the situation is along the border.
NYC has a population of 8.48 million, and is feeling the squeeze from 30,000 migrants and counting since the spring.
For comparison, the border town of Del Rio, TX has a population of 35,000 and last fall had to deal with 15,000 Haitian migrants arriving over a single week.
El Paso, which just declared a State of Emergency despite the White House pressuring the mayor (D) for months not to do so, has 678,000 residents and from August-December, had over 84,000 migrants released into the city.
There are typically over 100,000 migrant encounters along the TX-MX border every single month, and that doesn't include migrants who enter the country illegally without being processed by border patrol.
NYC's numbers are child's play in comparison.
spicytoastaficionado t1_j0vmd0m wrote
He need a few more ribbon cuttings and at least one more Christmas party to make up his mind.
1600hazenstreet t1_j0vvof5 wrote
Why would he. That’s like getting humiliated on national stage.
1600hazenstreet t1_j0vvuaw wrote
Hahahaha. Texas has mandatory prison sentences for felons convicted of firearms possession.
1600hazenstreet t1_j0vwau0 wrote
He’s already focusing on hosting more rappers for his re-election campaign.
1600hazenstreet t1_j0vwrln wrote
These are illegal migrants who are exploiting loopholes in current laws. There is a distinction between legal migrants and illegal migrants.
earlymountainrain t1_j0vx4gh wrote
Border issues were basically subject to a media blackout by the NY Times, CNN, MSBNC, and NPR unless it was to report about Trump's "kids in cages" along the border or Texas militia groups cosplaying as border patrol. They are just as complicit in letting things get to this point.
Use-Quirky t1_j0vyaho wrote
No immigration get hundreds of millions that can be shifted to nyc
Puzzleheaded_Okra_21 t1_j0w03pg wrote
No human being is illegal. Are you a Drumpf supporter?
austinrebel t1_j0w1ude wrote
Same number that is sent to NYC. $0.00.
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rpm33119 t1_j0w87gd wrote
Immigration, yes. The city and states that need to deal with the illegals, no.
Byron_Thomas t1_j0w9f0m wrote
so texas is busing illegal immigrants to nyc? sounds like they are abetting crime to me then. I don't think you understand how immigration actually works.
koji00 t1_j0wbtf0 wrote
please post your home address around the Port Authority so they know how they can receive your warm welcome.
juggernaut1026 t1_j0wetut wrote
To be fair it seems like everyone is at capacity everywhere
pk10534 t1_j0wijoh wrote
That’s just such a reductive and facile take on this whole issue that it borders on disingenuous. It ignores so many other pieces of this crisis - no matter where you fall on immigration. Personally, I’m very pro-immigration. But let’s also be abundantly clear: these are migrants that will need a lot of safety nets and government assistance in order to establish themselves, and many of our cities are already struggling to keep up with the current homelessness crisis.
We need to establish that this is a different demographic set of immigrants from what we’re used to, as well. In the 2000s, we saw a lot of single men coming over to work. This crowd contains vastly more families and young children. So going off of some study from 2009 isn’t going to necessarily present us with the same picture as today, because a 23 year old Mexican man does not require nor have access to the same social services that a Venezuelan mother with 3 children will.
You can be supportive of immigration without being willfully unaware of the challenges presented by 2.5 million border patrol encounters in one year and how blissfully unprepared our social safety net is for that
Grass8989 t1_j0wlzdv wrote
Go to any other first would country and proclaim that and see if they welcome you in and provide significant social services just because “no human is illegal”
HangerSteak1 t1_j0wp2g1 wrote
We have Orchard Beach for housing.
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lanoyeb243 t1_j0xc27r wrote
Who is them?
KidAstoria t1_j0xxnyp wrote
Did you forget that nyc has hotels?
KidAstoria t1_j0xxpm3 wrote
Send the to Williamsburg
You_Keep_The_Money t1_j0xyc0n wrote
Why help them?
NewYorker0 t1_j0y5ems wrote
The fed isn’t giving NY funds to help the migrants and the City can’t just print money.
You_Keep_The_Money t1_j0y5hf2 wrote
No, I'm saying, why help them? Who gives a shit?
NewYorker0 t1_j0y7knh wrote
I Misread. Almost 3 million people crossed the border and the states didn’t even get funds to deal with it. Incompetent government.
stalkingshadow01 t1_j0yxws3 wrote
A lot of them are coming from countries that don’t experience winters like what we have. With freezing overnight temperatures and migrants not having adequate clothing and shelter, nobody wants to see frozen corpses of women and kids lining the streets.
HangerSteak1 t1_j1077ng wrote
At least that many people are leaving for the holidays. The housing is there, just needs to be allocated like modern open offices where you do not have a specific desk.
Grass8989 t1_j0tvot0 wrote
Freezing temperatures, and shelters already at capacity. This will go well.