jl2l OP t1_izgergi wrote
Reply to comment by LouisSeize in Inside the Fight to Pay Food Delivery Workers $23 an Hour by jl2l
Because FDNY job involves going into a burning building and potentially dying, whereas their job involves riding electric bicycle less than 5 mi and back.
Cokrates t1_izipuxv wrote
delivery drivers in nyc have the highest instance of work related fatality of any industry in the city including fire and police.
Gimme_The_Loot t1_izubv5h wrote
I would 10000% not want to be zipping around on one of those bikes with the constant pressure of moving as fast as possible at all times. I have no stats to back it but I would definitely assume it's dangerous af
Cokrates t1_j0082us wrote
yeah for that reason I stick to Queens rather than Manhattan. But I should say in relation to the orginal comment the FDNY and NYPD put their life on the line every day for a very noble cause, us as delivery guys just happen to die more on the job.
_Maxolotl t1_izht7ik wrote
I found seven news stories about delivery guys dying on the job in NYC in the last 12 months. First two pages of google search results. I might not have found every incident.
Dec. 14, 2021: Salvador Navarette-Flores. Hit an illegally parked truck. https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2021/12/14/moped-rider-killed-in-crash-with-truck-in-illegal-loading-zone-cops-and-a-witness-says/
Christmas Eve, 2021: Taurino Rosendo Morales
https://abc7ny.com/new-york-city-upper-east-side-delivery-worker-struck-pedestrian/11390331/
April 30, 2022. Zhiwen Yan.
Allegedly murdered over sauce, by a customer who later killed himself: https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/diner-pleads-not-guilty-to-killing-nyc-delivery-worker-over-condiment-dispute/3719042/
July 3, 2022. Christian Catalan. Hit and run:
https://abc7ny.com/bronx-delivery-worker-killed-christian-catalan-hit-and-run-driver/12029766/
July 11, 2022, Eduardo Valencia. Crashed into a pole. https://www.ourtownny.com/news/vigil-continues-for-ues-cyclist-killed-in-crash-DC2141445
August 4, 2022: Daniel Vidal. Run over by a truck. https://www.ny1.com/nyc/brooklyn/news/2022/08/06/food-delivery-worker-run-over-by-truck-after-falling-off-motorcycle
August 14, 2022. Be Tran. Age 74. Hit and Run:
https://www.today.com/food/news/doordash-delivery-worker-killed-hit-run-rcna44012
FineAunts t1_izi8j86 wrote
Not to start a pissing contest but I'd be curious how many FDNY died on the job in the past couple of years vs delivery workers.
_Maxolotl t1_iziswow wrote
from 2002 through this year, one to three FDNY firefighters or EMTs have died on the job each year, except in 2005, when four died. https://ufanyc.org/line-of-duty-deaths/
sagenumen t1_izibr0v wrote
It’s irrelevant. If the job exists, the person doing it should be able to thrive on the wage.
sagenumen t1_iziby9k wrote
You sound like a real peach. Delivery drivers deserve a fair wage. If $23 brings them up to FDNY’s level, then the discussion should be around why our first responders are compensated so poorly, not that we should pay our delivery people less.
_Maxolotl t1_izitq3g wrote
FDNY and NYPD both use low starting salaries with fast raises as a retention strategy. By year 5, FDNY firefighters make $85k/year, before overtime and holiday pay, and they get four week paid vacation.
OP doesn't care about fair wages though. OP just doesn't want to pay much to have somebody risk their life in traffic to bring him Chik-fil-a. Personally, I enjoy living in a city where if I don't feel like cooking, I get to go for a walk and have a wide variety of choices of where to pick up food.
sagenumen t1_izj28ys wrote
Right. OP's is an absolute trash position.
_Maxolotl t1_izj6cug wrote
It seems like there's a huge number of people who DGAF about delivery workers, unfortunately.
sagenumen t1_izj7r6f wrote
But probably think nothing of firing up Seamless for dinner in the rain.
_Maxolotl t1_izj8vt2 wrote
people who talk about how much they hate the ebikes happily order dinner for their whole family in mid february.
People who tell me it's impossible to use a bike as primary transportation in NYC because of winter also happily order dinner in a blizzard. If a 74 year old Vietnamese dude who sleeps on a crappy mattress and commutes to Manhattan from outer Queens to do deliveries can ride a bike all day in winter, any white collar office worker with no major physical disability can handle 45 minutes to and from work.
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_Maxolotl t1_izjn97i wrote
Because we don't know if we're both attracted to the other, or if we're both single and/or poly, or if we both have penis and/or strap ons.
And I don't think we're going to find out, because this is not an appropriate forum to ask on, and we both seem relatively polite.
jl2l OP t1_izjnxaa wrote
Love connection denied. Well at least you shot your shot.
jl2l OP t1_izj9pxs wrote
You're a moron if you think firemen make $23 an hour
sagenumen t1_izjio53 wrote
Lol. I don't know what FDNY pays and nowhere did I pretend to. I certainly hope it's more than $23/hr. The point is that we shouldn't be discussing how to pay certain people less. Delivery workers should be making at least $23/hr.
jl2l OP t1_izjjdqh wrote
Okay having been on the inside of how these delivery apps work I can tell you that once you make delivery workers employees what happens is managers ward over their shifts and treat them like shit they play favorites and people get screwed. The Independence is the only leverage that the drivers actually have and companies like DoorDash when they turn them into employees are going to leverage that against each other and all these delivery workers are just going to get laid off. What's better having two delivery workers that work at the restaurant or having 18 16 of which come from DoorDash. Restaurants that employ delivery workers should pay them at least $23 an hour what shouldn't be allowed is for DoorDash to bombard those restaurants with different drivers and screw those people over.
sagenumen t1_izjw7g7 wrote
Capitalists are going to capitalist. They are always going to work the system and eke out every penny. That does not mean the workers should be impoverished to make it work.
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