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drpvn t1_izo3eke wrote

Reply to comment by Remarkable_Landscape in NYC public libraries say proposed budget cuts may 'push us over the edge' by King-of-New-York

0.05% of the DOE’s $38 billion budget.

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Remarkable_Landscape t1_izo45s0 wrote

Cutting schools to save libraries feels like trying to put out a fire by starting another fire in a different place. But yes, libraries are a very small part of the budget.

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occasional_cynic t1_izocuau wrote

It wouldn't be cutting schools it would be finally doing something about the DOE's massive administrative bloat.

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MortifiedPuppy t1_izokxf6 wrote

I fear the administrative bloat would remain and critical functions of the DOE would suffer

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LoneStarTallBoi t1_izol4ms wrote

It would absolutely be cutting schools because they're never gonna take money from the administrators and do-nothings when they have the opportunity to take money from the kids and teachers.

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IsayNigel t1_izp0mps wrote

This will never happen, any budget cuts will just get passed immediately to classroom.

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drpvn t1_izo6vel wrote

Police aren’t even that massive a part of the city budget compared with other cities.

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Desterado t1_izoo7cn wrote

I bet the DOE has way more employees, buildings, and equipment and infrastructure than the NYPD. They also don’t kill people.

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drpvn t1_izoqm4b wrote

Of course, the DOE is an endless sprawl. That’s partly why it’s so expensive, despite the fact that fewer people use it each year.

DOE employees don’t kill people because their job isn’t public safety. Happily, NYPD almost never kills an unarmed person.

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Desterado t1_izorc7t wrote

Nypd kills a lot of their own too. Do teachers do that a lot?

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drpvn t1_izoryec wrote

Wat

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Desterado t1_izos24q wrote

Nypd friendly fire is responsible for a significant number of line of duty deaths.

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drpvn t1_izosyy4 wrote

I would think that would make you happy.

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Desterado t1_izot5w0 wrote

As much as I dislike the NYPD I don’t want them to be killed and I don’t celebrate their death.

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drpvn t1_izot8bs wrote

You’re deeply concerned about their safety, I see.

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Desterado t1_izotmp9 wrote

I see you’re not interested in having an actual discussion.

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drpvn t1_izottlf wrote

You are? About what? This is a thread about library funding.

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Desterado t1_izou8yg wrote

And you brought up the DOE?

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drpvn t1_izoudew wrote

Yeah, to contextualize the size of the NYPD budget, which someone else brought up. So what is it you want to discuss?

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Desterado t1_izovd4l wrote

Right, the NYPD budget is way higher than it should be.

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drpvn t1_izow7h9 wrote

Maybe you’re right, maybe not. I haven’t studied it closely. But the DOE’s budget is definitely higher than it should be.

Great discussion!

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Desterado t1_izowbj3 wrote

Maybe next time you talk to someone don’t imply that they’re happy about people dying.

I bet there’s a lot you haven’t studied closely.

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drpvn t1_izoxz8l wrote

Is this part of our “actual discussion”?

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Desterado t1_izoy1p9 wrote

Nope. Just an addendum.

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drpvn t1_izoz426 wrote

Feels like you never wanted an actual discussion.

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Desterado t1_izoz8bc wrote

You suggested that I took joy in people dying. You’re the one that ended the discussion with that bullshit.

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drpvn t1_izozvv7 wrote

What were we discussing?

Also, sorry, I had no idea that would upset you so much.

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Desterado t1_izozxkw wrote

You can read. Go look it up.

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drpvn t1_izp0896 wrote

You were making comments about how NYPD killed people and teachers don’t. Not a substantive discussion in my book. More like dropping juvenile comments. And then I upset you.

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Desterado t1_izp0efa wrote

Ah so you can read. Just make your points instead of dragging it out to try and be more of a dick.

My point was that for all the money we spend on police here they end up causing a ton of harm. Perhaps money is wasted on the DOE but they aren’t tearing families apart or beating people or killing them.

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drpvn t1_izp0se0 wrote

Policing by definition is going to involve what you would call “harm.” It involves forcing people to do things they don’t want to do, including a lot of violent people. It involves guns and knives. This explains why NYPD shoots more people than teachers do. I can’t believe I actually needed to point that distinction out.

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Desterado t1_izp0zky wrote

If you’re not a cop you should sign up. You’ll fit right in.

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drpvn t1_izp133p wrote

Is that part of the actual discussion that you value so highly?

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Desterado t1_izp1dq6 wrote

As I said before, it was over when you tried to say I enjoyed people being killed. This is just me being an asshole in kind.

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drpvn t1_izp1l6k wrote

There’s zero difference between you now and back when you badly wanted an actual discussion. Apart from such brilliant observations as “police kill people and teachers don’t,” you have nothing to say.

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Desterado t1_izp1ogf wrote

You have the deductive skills of a cop too. You’ll totally fit in.

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drpvn t1_izp1sa7 wrote

Maybe I’m wrong. I’m sure if I browse your comment history I’ll see a bunch of examples of you making interesting and nuanced points.

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Desterado t1_izp1vo1 wrote

I know I won’t find anything substantive in your comments.

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drpvn t1_izp27yq wrote

Lol, you’re one of the people who thinks it’s evidence-based to say that policing is incapable of reducing crime. Seriously, you have nothing to say except zingers about how you hate cops.

https://reddit.com/r/nyc/comments/zh01ix/_/izl2m2h/?context=1

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Desterado t1_izp2ftg wrote

Police aren’t the solution to crime. It’s pretty stupid to think that.

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drpvn t1_izp2ksw wrote

There is no “solution” to crime. It’s even dumber to think that. Crime can be managed. It will never be eradicated.

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IsayNigel t1_izp0qon wrote

Hey remember when a mass shooter tried to turn himself in and the NYPD “couldn’t find him” when he told them where he was? Way to go NYPD!

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drpvn t1_izp0uud wrote

Good point, the police should be disbanded.

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IsayNigel t1_izp1290 wrote

Shit, when you’re right you’re right.

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drpvn t1_izp1dq0 wrote

Half the time when I make a comment like that I get the response “nowhere did I say that.” The other half the time I get a response like yours.

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sagenumen t1_izou2xn wrote

Ok? So your proposal is to take money from schools to give to libraries, when the police have a ridiculously bloated budget and stomp their feet when we ask for accountability? Lol. Bootlickers are something else.

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Neckwrecker t1_izp2w6a wrote

Cry about it

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drpvn t1_izp3294 wrote

Nah, there’s no point. It just grows year after year. Once in a while there’s a tiny cut and people act like it’s a war crime, and then the bloat resumes its skyward trend.

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paloaltothrowaway t1_izoo0cx wrote

We spent $28k per students with piss poor outcome. That a private school tuition in many places.

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drpvn t1_izop8sr wrote

Closer to $38k per student actually.

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paloaltothrowaway t1_izpdjdq wrote

Thanks for correcting my number. And funny how statistical facts can get downvoted here

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drpvn t1_izpechw wrote

Some butthurt people in this thread.

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IsayNigel t1_izp10fo wrote

Education is expensive.

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paloaltothrowaway t1_izpddr7 wrote

Other states spend a lot less with better outcome. The solution isn’t that throw more money into a failing machine.

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IsayNigel t1_izpu3dz wrote

Not really, and it’s not a “failing” machine. But you can go ahead and explain how cutting the budget to an already strapped institution is actually a good thing.

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paloaltothrowaway t1_izpyfh5 wrote

Lol of course you work for the city

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IsayNigel t1_izpzob2 wrote

Lol okay I don’t know what position you think you’re in to talk down to anyone Lyft driver. Didn’t answer any of my questions though.

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paloaltothrowaway t1_izr0ipq wrote

Why do you think I’m a Lyft driver? Because I’m not. It’s easy to find out just by reading my other post right next to it.

As a whole country, our PISA score sucks compared to other OECD countries despite spending multiple times more. And NYC DOE per head budget is almost double the national average while performing in line with the average

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IsayNigel t1_izr7raa wrote

The DOE also deals with incredibly unique issues like space and literal tones of thousands of homeless children but go off.

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