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OhGoodOhMan t1_izxf42u wrote

The post has a terrible title, as usual.

$3.2B is for the entire project, which adds 4 Metro North stations and 1-2 additional tracks along Amtrak's line through the Bronx. It also includes various other power/track/signal upgrades between New Rochelle and Sunnyside.

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nemoid t1_izy8mfy wrote

It also includes realignment of existing trackwork, new and upgraded drainage systems, new interlockings and reconfigured existing interlockings, new and realigned catenary lines, replacement/rehab of existing rail bridges and all the ancillary work (e.g.: substations, civil work, etc etc etc) that goes along with everything that's been mentioned.

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anObscurity t1_j023t84 wrote

Am I crazy or does all of this actually not seem bad for 3.2B? Obviously the price will increase over time as this is NYC but the starting point seems like a pretty good deal

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JuniorAct7 t1_izydspo wrote

Shocked the New York Post of all papers would try to stoke outrage against new stations in the Bronx.

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overmotion t1_izzglcg wrote

My unborn grandchildren look forward to the completion of this project

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actualtext t1_izy01e0 wrote

I made the mistake of trying to read the comments on that article. People hitching about the MTA spending on this. I don’t know about you but this is exactly the kind of new infrastructure stuff that we should be seeing more of. Ideally in the subway system but this works too.

I think it would be great if all Metro North and Long Island Rail Road had a 1 fare zone within the city limits to encourage more usage of those stations where people may currently be discouraged. I’m not sure what the rides will cost from the Bronx to Penn Station but if it’s more than an express bus I’m sure it’s going to already be a losing proposition for most people. Doesn’t mean it won’t get used but it would get used more with a lower fare obviously.

I’m happy this is finally happening. I’m hoping under Hochul maybe we’ll see other useful public transit projects like this get started (and maybe completed).

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donttouchthirdrail t1_izz9l7z wrote

City ticket should be 2.75 and transfer with the buses/subway. City could just subsidize it as a line item in the budget.

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actualtext t1_izzakrw wrote

I'd be up for that. I'm not sure how a city ticket works though. I'm guessing that the usage might be too variable for the city to agree to it. I mean the city wouldn't agree to it outright anyways because they always want the state to pay as much as they can.

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donttouchthirdrail t1_izzerrs wrote

I saw an estimate for ~30 million a year. On Twitter, so grain of salt, but that doesn’t seem wholly unreasonable.

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volpcas t1_izzgak5 wrote

City ticket on metro north is $5 and not available during peak hours 6am- 9 am 4pm -7pm

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gzrrt t1_izyrp0a wrote

Really unprofessional and incorrect headline

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Robusto923 t1_izxpxje wrote

Kind of off topic, but why don't the Hudson Line trains take the Amtrak tracks to Penn Station?

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vanshnookenraggen t1_izxx46w wrote

That is considered for a phase 2 of Penn Access. The issue is that this connection is only one track, limiting the amount of service.

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Sams_Butter_Sock t1_izye4ul wrote

It’s definitely won’t be too difficult. I’ve been in the tunnel that connects Penn to the Hudson line there is tons of room to build a second track. The swing bridge though is the only problem

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vanshnookenraggen t1_izyeub6 wrote

No, there is a very specific section of that tunnel which is absolutely not wide enough. You're thinking of the Freedom Tunnel which, at one point, had 4 tracks. But these tracks never went to Penn Station originally. A connection was made later on, and it is a single bore tube.

A second tunnel would have to be threaded below Hudson Yards. Is that possible? Totally. Will it cost a billion dollars? No doubt.

But the thing that is really going to keep Phase 2 from happening is ridership. PSA runs through a dense section of the Bronx and connects to CT. The Hudson Line runs along the river and serves mostly bedroom communities. That means the potential ridership is way lower.

PSA running along the NEC could justify the high price tag. Phase 2, maybe not so much.

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Sams_Butter_Sock t1_izyg00d wrote

Well that small portion just leave single tracked. As long as there isn’t trains 5 minutes apart I’m sure there won’t be a problem. Also this project is important in my opinion regardless of the ridership on metro north since the state is always talking about getting higher speed trains and electrification to the empire corridor for Amtrak. But you are right about this being a project for after this one

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donotseekthetreashur t1_izxg31h wrote

Does anyone know if they approved the 7 train stop in Hell’s Kitchen? Would be life-changing tbh

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Jonfreakintasic t1_izxliwl wrote

No, they really dropped the ball not making the Hudson yards devs not foot the bill for that station. Maybe if they redo port authority they will consider it again.

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decelerationkills t1_izxo5yx wrote

!remindme 10 years

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whateverisok t1_izzhy2n wrote

It might be because I'm on the mobile app, but is that a timeframe that even the RemindMe bot doesn't consider possible? (And hence, doesn't auto-reply?)

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DaoFerret t1_izy7m2n wrote

Still sad they stopped the stations at 34th.

They built track down to 23rd on 11th, and use that mostly as staging/trainyard, when they could have done another station and extended the line all the way down to Chelsea/Chelsea Piers

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Insomniadict t1_izz9bet wrote

It’s low priority compared to the other needed transit improvements, but a line running up 10th Ave from the 14th A/C/L to the 72nd 1/2/3 would be amazing for the west side.

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colonelcasey22 t1_izybgyq wrote

All they did was flatten track where the 10th Ave station would go. Couldn’t even fund a shell station.

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MrPhilNY101 t1_izxjezt wrote

If east side access and doing business in NY is any indicator, I think you should realistically add a 1 in front of that 3.

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donttouchthirdrail t1_izxy3k3 wrote

This project is a lot simpler than east side access. The only actual changes they need to make are building these stations, the rest of the stuff they’re doing is just so Amtrak will give them trackage rights.

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spartan1008 t1_izzpluu wrote

alright, should only be about 33 years till we can use the thing now.

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TeamMisha t1_izzzdo8 wrote

This is a really exciting project. Re-activating stations seems like a no brainer, we have the tracks, let's connect the people to them. My only other wish for this project was if it would have been possible to add another station or 2 along the embankment in Queens, this would create the first direct rail connection between our two boros and give Queens riders another route to Manhattan. It's unlucky these tracks join the mainline after Woodside where you have a lot of possible transfers to LIRR lines and the 7.

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GoHuskies1984 t1_izxbxi5 wrote

Watch how many 5 over 1 sized luxury apartment projects will pop up near each station.

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Daddy_Macron t1_izxl2z7 wrote

> Watch how many 5 over 1 sized luxury apartment projects will pop up near each station.

Good. The areas around Metro stations should be built the fuck up. And those new residents will be shopping and eating in those local communities.

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George4Mayor86 t1_izxr4au wrote

Dense housing near transit is good actually.

Should be much taller than six stories but it’s a start.

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welton92 t1_j00lk3o wrote

Six stories gets into high rise territory as defined by DOB and comes with additional fee to develop for egress and fire compliance. With limited footprints available it just doesn’t present itself as feasible in many cases.

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SolutionRelative4586 t1_izxfc3h wrote

Not a single one unless you mean "luxury" (known in the rest of the world a "building" because it doesn't have sloping floors, has an elevator and was built after World War I).

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self-assembled t1_izxrgji wrote

The backlash for "luxury" apartment buildings is misguided. They're basically cheap cookie-cutter buildings. ALL off the shelf residential units are billed as "luxury" and are mostly meeting modern standards for HVAC, etc. Rent will normalize, and even if new buildings are more expensive (because they're more convenient for most), surrounding buildings will actually see a drop in rent. It's been shown. And we need more housing.

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honest86 t1_izxyqi7 wrote

If they don't pop upa lot of people will be displaced, and if they do pop up hopefully they are actually big enough to absorb the increased demand for housing in the neighborhoods.

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actualtext t1_izy1kyb wrote

At least by Parkchester and Co-op City there are already a bunch of big apartment buildings. Mostly condos by Parkchester and largely co-ops in Co-op City.

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ChrisFromLongIsland t1_izxsl6m wrote

This has been planned for like 10 years. If anything the Bronx in general has got worse in the past 10 years on average.

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OhGoodOhMan t1_izyalzk wrote

This would have broken ground a long time ago, if East Side Access weren't 13 years late and $8B over budget.

PSA requires the track capacity at Penn that ESA frees up, and the state/MTA only has so much budget to play with.

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popartist t1_j01nvzz wrote

They've been talking about this since my family and I lived in the part of Co-op City near the tracks...that would be 50 years now!

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bsanchey t1_izxcm9r wrote

Absolutely correct. All these years of those areas being working class they let’s them over pack the 6 train.

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ohwhatj t1_j00c6sq wrote

Now do queens to Brooklyn

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Accurate-Wish-8674 t1_j03ffst wrote

I'm very very glad that the metro North Connecticut railroad is going to Pennsylvania station Manhattan Hunts point moriss parkchester and co op city. Another thing that definitely needs to happen is extended the 6 Pelham line to co op city mall so this way when people get off the Pelham 6 line to co op city mall they could definitely transfer to the metro North railroad going to Connecticut

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SumyungNam t1_j006pu8 wrote

Lol by the time this is so it will be 20 billion

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Accurate-Wish-8674 t1_j03gxzi wrote

This is a good idea for the Metro North railroad going to Pennsylvania station and they are digging the ground on east Bronx connecting to the 6 Pelham line at Hunts point. The Pelham 6 line definitely needs to be extended to co op city. Leave the Q D B D trains alone. Bring back the Thrid Avenue Elevated line between Gun hill road Clearmount Avenue Webster Ave South Bronx. The 8 Thrid Avenue Elevated line shouldn't have never taking down . They are finishing up the second Ave subway line under ground to west 137 street to connect to the 1 Broadway line that's all fine. How about rebuilding the Thrid Avenue Elevated line back. What's is the cence of rebuilding the second Ave subway line back if they are not gonna rebuilding the Thrid Avenue Elevated line back? The Thrid Avenue Elevated line definitely needs to happen also. Lee cornwell

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GrassGaurdian t1_izyna4g wrote

This is nice I hope it doesn't take a decade to see

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supremeMilo t1_j00cyt4 wrote

what's the current timeline on this?

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No_Baby7927 t1_j022c5k wrote

This is great so now the people who've lived in those areas for decades will be forced out so that all the people who can't afford to live in Manhattan will squeeze the Bronx residents out they can still commute back down to into." The city". Tentacles of a gentrifying city region and State. This comes at a great time with congestion pricing on the horizon. Those areas have needed dire transportation additions for decades I guess money talks .

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Huskerzfan t1_izz8nl5 wrote

In 35 years and 350% over budget.

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kstarkwasp t1_j00oxyy wrote

Even if it was just a station from the bx to Penn I'd be okay with it lol commuting to midtown from the bronx is a nightmare

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planning_throwaway1 t1_j022ohx wrote

the nypost title is shit. it's 4 new stations in the bx on the east side, trackwork for existing lines and adding additional tracks for the nearby amtrak line

not bad for the cost and not complicated work compared to things like east side access so these predictable comments about waiting decades etc are dumb

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PM-Nice-Thoughts t1_izyfjdu wrote

Well the Metro North has conductors that check tickets and will have people removed if they refuse to pay

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BananaThumb t1_izyljo3 wrote

I’m not sure what you’re getting at. The metro north already exists in the Bronx, and as far as I’ve seen riding, there aren’t any widespread issues with fare evasion. This wouldn’t change with added stations.

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Darkstool t1_izy6mq1 wrote

The Morris park spot is a fucking mess of body shops and tow companies who create such a logjam of double, and triple parked cars all day, and not much better at night. Not to mention that area is kind of a back path to hutch and i95 entrances. They need to clean that whole area up before they smack a commuter stop there adding more congestion.

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actualtext t1_izyhnzp wrote

If you build it, they will come. A story I've been told is that Manhattan reached its peak population figures just before the subway expanded to the outer boroughs. That was back in the 1910s. That’s almost insane to think about. Once the subway system expanded, people felt more free to not have to live in Manhattan.

Where you build public transit options will shape where housing and commercial development takes place. Yes, ideally you plan things accordingly and tightly but hopefully the city will coordinate and re-zone that area. Best case scenario auto shop businesses will sell out to developers with bigger plans for housing and the auto shops can relocate. Or maybe the city just figures out a plan that works for all involved. Imminent domain? Not ideal but it would be quite appropriate if the city re-zoned and build bigger in that area.

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BronxEE2000 t1_izzo3rk wrote

Or maybe just let the neighborhoods stay as they are now, but provide the new transit options. Nothing wrong with the neighborhood as it is around the planned Morris Park station.

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actualtext t1_izzt33k wrote

I actually looked at the area to get a better idea of where they meant when they said Morris Park. That area basically is surrounded by medical buildings and centers. It's not residential at all. But it will probably provide quicker access for employees at those places to get there from Manhattan and further up north from the Bronx. It's a weird area in the Bronx where I guess there was a lot of planning to building out those lots (vacant for for years!!) to having all these medical centers. There's even a free shuttle to the Hutchinson Metro Center it's so out of the way. So unfortunately I don't know if they will work on mixing the area with residences but it's definitely quite transited so a way to get there more directly without taking a bus is great imo.

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pompcaldor t1_izzpwsx wrote

The car shops create the congestion, not the medical school and hospital?

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Darkstool t1_j01ld5z wrote

On stillwell and Bassett, its 90% car shops. Almost every parked car and especially the double/triple parked cars are body shop /mechanic jobs. ( smashed up, marked for body work) and all the accompanying tow trucks( you know the ones who act like police and drive like dicks breaking laws).

It's also just a small oversight by you of the impact on society of a largely rule less zone of car shops ( they have been dumping tires and toxic waste for years on Bassett) versus a medical school and hospital.

I'm sure the residents of adjoining blocks between eastchester and stillwell love having smashed cars dropped at the curb near their house until shops work them into the schedules. Also the strong smell of toxic paint fumes pumping from some of the body shops and floating around a residential area is an added benefit.

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LongIsland1995 t1_izzj9tw wrote

Why not just take the D train?

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