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EvanMcD3 t1_j193oih wrote

NYU is not the only hospital that prioritizes VIPs. Columbia Presbyterian and Memorial Sloan Kettering have entire VIP wings. I suspect all the major hospitals do. Call it fund raising.

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veggie_bail t1_j19bzyz wrote

But the article is talking about prioritizing VIPs over sicker people in the ER. Which no hospital openly does.

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dr_feelz t1_j1a0pli wrote

The article talks about that but doesn't provide any evidence, despite speaking with 50+ doctors. It's trying to shock you by saying Ken Langone wasn't treated in the hallway. Wow. If other patients weren't treated because Ken Langone was there, you can be pretty sure the "journalists" would have included that info.

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rioht t1_j1ar0fu wrote

The article directly cites a number of doctors and at the end of it, cites that the Accreditation Council for Graduate Medical Education has found that NYU Langone has a VIP system that "teaches resident patient bias".

Seems like pretty solid evidence that NYU Langone prioritizes donors and trustees.

With that said, this is the way that systems work almost everywhere - if you know someone or are "important" in some way, you get treated better. This is not something likely to change.

What I find distasteful is the implication that those who protest this system get retaliated against/fired. That seems like a step way too far.

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nyuncat t1_j1b2jjr wrote

There are multiple examples of what you are describing in the article. I would recommend reading it all the way through before participating in the discussion, as a general practice.

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lispenard1676 t1_j1f6ce2 wrote

Hear hear. There's a lot of irresponsible comments being made in this comment section.

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Delaywaves t1_j1b56ez wrote

From the article:

>In late 2019, doctors were racing to rescue a patient in cardiac arrest. One pushed the gurney toward one of the private rooms meant for life-or-death emergencies. Another sat atop the unconscious patient, performing chest compressions. When they arrived at the room, they could not enter — a V.I.P. occupied it. The patient survived, but two workers who witnessed the episode said the delay could have been deadly.

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foradil t1_j1d9vtc wrote

>they could not enter — a V.I.P. occupied it

Could they enter other (non-VIP) occupied rooms?

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Delaywaves t1_j1db2dd wrote

I don't know, man, but two medical workers said "the delay could have been deadly," which is enough evidence for me that this is a fucked up practice. Why's everyone in the comments desperate to defend this multibillion-dollar medical institution?

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foradil t1_j1dbzhi wrote

>Why's everyone in the comments desperate to defend this multibillion-dollar medical institution?

It just seems like a hit-piece. This is a good problem to tackle, but is it NYU-specific? Why not look at nearby comparable institutions like Weill Cornell/Columbia and Mount Sinai as well?

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Delaywaves t1_j1dhfnr wrote

Well I'm guessing because they don't have policies this egregious.

The article itself mentions that Mt. Sinai and Weill Cornell "offer luxury accommodations and personal concierge services to patients who can afford them," so it's not like they're being ignored — but prioritizing rich people for emergency treatment seems like it may be unique to NYU.

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foradil t1_j1dq9mh wrote

That quote does not address the ER policies explicitly and NYU would issue a similar statement if asked. I would like to know which rich person was waiting in the hallways of Mount Sinai or Weill Cornell. No one is willing to offer a quote of how they are just like a commoner?

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oy_says_ake t1_j1dbz7w wrote

“Doesn’t provide any evidence”

come on lisa, the times gave your claims plenty of coverage already.

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Grass8989 t1_j19nl4f wrote

Everyone gets triaged and everything is documented electronically. If someone was on deaths door and it was documented as such and the hospital got sued/audited it would be a major issue.

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veggie_bail t1_j19nwzd wrote

Well one of their accreditations is on probation according to the article, so someone did some sort of audit and found issues. But sure whatever man

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ripstep1 t1_j1d3lmc wrote

Those are purely technical issues lmao. You are talking about medical accreditation like you know anything about it

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veggie_bail t1_j1dhex8 wrote

Thanks for your enlightening explanation!

What's with all the comments saying "no, NYU doesn't do that...trust me"?

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ripstep1 t1_j1drzym wrote

And you trust a journalist who knows absolutely nothing about anything?

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Grass8989 t1_j1ai4oi wrote

Where in this article does it say that someone died because a VIP was in a private room?

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LouisSeize t1_j195kw6 wrote

I know for sure that at Columbia Presbyterian, the "VIP" floor, called the McKeen Pavillion, comes with substantial extra charges which anyone who has the money can pay. Whether or not people like Bill Clinton actually paid those charges, I don't know.

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EvanMcD3 t1_j1994am wrote

If you're ever visiting anyone at Columbia Pres, anywhere in the hospital, there's a very nice not expensive dining room near the McKeen Pavilion (thank you for the name) with great views of the Hudson and the GWB.

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LouisSeize t1_j1fa0jy wrote

That's true and the food is better than the stuff on the second floor of Milstein but it's hardly Daniel.

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EvanMcD3 t1_j1fxggt wrote

Not until he brings in his staff for friends treated at McKeen.

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_neutral_person t1_j1a2twu wrote

Caught a Social worker at Cornell openly speaking about an undocumented immigrant that was discharged unable to walk or stand with a PICC line who came back 5 hours later because he was unable to take care of himself.

She said "I don't understand why we need to give this man a medical bed. We should send him to a city hospital".

I can assure you every word out of these administrator's mouths is a lie.

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ripstep1 t1_j1d3p2m wrote

Seems reasonable. These people clog up hospital beds for no reason other than to receive a single dose of ceftriaxone each day.

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lispenard1676 t1_j1f7chk wrote

I can't believe you can make a comment like that with a straight face.

> These people clog up hospital beds for no reason other than to receive a single dose of ceftriaxone each day.

Okay, so what? If he needs it, he gets it and is out in a few hours. That's the hospital literally doing its job.

Also, the remark "we should send him to a city hospital" is deeply bothersome. Why exactly should he go to a city hospital? Isn't he already in a hospital that should give him adequate care.

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ripstep1 t1_j1g3qaf wrote

No. I am talking about people who literally sit in hospital beds for months getting daily ceftriaxone

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lispenard1676 t1_j1h1f67 wrote

Okay. Didn't even know that was a thing tbh.

That being said, I don't see any indication that this was the case with the undocumented immigrant.

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_neutral_person t1_j1jmg9f wrote

Well this guy had a spinal abscess and could not walk as per the PT.

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Colombia17 t1_j1a7bui wrote

Add Lenox Hill to the list

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rextilleon t1_j1a7waz wrote

Where do people think a ton of money comes from to maintain the fiscal stability of the hospital--any guesses? Donors. If someone has been mistreated or not treated because of lack of celebrity status, they can sue. This is much ado about nothing.

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Glittering_Multitude t1_j1ap0ls wrote

Don’t forget the residents and taxpayers subsidizing these hospitals. If they want to prioritize “VIPs” over the rest of us New Yorkers who pay for their fiscal stability, then they should get their hands out of our pockets.

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Mister_Twiggy t1_j1brqr9 wrote

Yes, what’s worse, this VIP treatment or having all of those donations go instead to private-access only hospitals

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