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Sickpup831 t1_j68gsjh wrote
Isn’t it because October is when the mayor and governor flooded the transit system with more cops?
devolka t1_j68iak8 wrote
They've been increasing cops all year with little result.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/06/nyregion/nypd-subway-patrol.html
Sickpup831 t1_j68nm5v wrote
That was written a year ago. Here’s one yesterday from NYT. Stating that October is when they started sending more cops in transit.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/27/nyregion/crime-subway-police.html
devolka t1_j68rsxt wrote
Right... so he was lying in January but telling the truth now?
If subway crime has been up 40% this year why wait until October to bother adding cops if adding cops is your plan?
Why say you are adding cops in January and then not do it for 10 months?
Either he is grossly incompetent or he's a liar who doesn't believe what he says.
To paraphrase Robert Deniro in Casino. Either he's on thr take or stupid. Either way, he can't work here.
City_bound t1_j68rv4a wrote
The cops are working 4 hours of overtime a day about 4-5 days a week. Idk how long it is sustainable
devolka t1_j68s2hn wrote
They are just millking the clock.
Grass8989 t1_j6969uj wrote
By “milking the clock” do you mean “mandatory overtime” because that’s what it is.
devolka t1_j69j2a5 wrote
Yes. That's what I mean. That's got to stop.
ripstep1 t1_j69nvns wrote
So less cops working to the order of 50%?
devolka t1_j69q0a3 wrote
I don't know what that means. I said no overtime. That's what I meant.
koreamax t1_j69v4hs wrote
There's no winning with people like you. Getting rid of overtime means hiring more cops, which I'm sure you wouldn't like either.
devolka t1_j69wy66 wrote
Or it means giving cops less to do.
I like have every answer for you involves more cops. Aren't you paying attention? More cops doesn't reduce crime.
koreamax t1_j69xbo0 wrote
Dude, not everyone who disagrees with you is a bootlicker. Learn how to respond to people. Immediately assuming what I want makes for a bad argument. More cops seemed to reduce crime on subways
devolka t1_j6a6b27 wrote
I didn't didn't bring up bootleggers. You did. I was laughing at how you can't come up with a sutuin that doesn't involve more cops.
Lol. It's weird. You can only come up with one solution and ita the one we know doesn't work. Lol
rulesrrulesbro t1_j697rkv wrote
Especially when they don’t do shit but lean against walls and play candy crush. Half of them are too fat to chase after anyone
Sickpup831 t1_j69ugvf wrote
I thought people didn’t want them chasing anyone.
Grass8989 t1_j6bjuju wrote
They just want to abolish the police there’s no nuance with these people. It’s “why don’t they do anything” and when they do it’s “why did they do that”.
09-24-11 t1_j696eym wrote
It’s both. The mayor implemented increased supervision around this time AND the data chose a convenient start point to fit a narrative.
The real test will be comparing Oct 2021-2022 vs. Oct 2022-2023 a year from now
Croweslen t1_j69fq1g wrote
Correct. I cant remember if it was the end if October or the middle of November. But all precients have to send officers from each tour to cover the subway stations in their commands. People are easily hitting at least 40 hours of FORCED overtime a month. Who knows how long itll last but it is working. But forcing officers to work an 8 hour day on patrol, then do a footpost for hour, 5 days a week is not manageable or doable by most people. Especially with families
MillennialNightmare t1_j68tw32 wrote
Year to date compared to last year transit crime is down nearly 30%. You’re sharing old articles.
https://www.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/crime_statistics/cs-en-us-city.pdf
devolka t1_j68v3pd wrote
Year to date data for 3 weeks is extremely variant. The rolling 30 day is only 15% down and some of that is that ridership always dips in winter.
You'll notice the 2 year trend is up 36%
But my point in using an old article is that crime was historically high 3 months ago SPECIFICALLY.
Most murders in a month in the subway in at least 25 years.
https://nypost.com/2022/10/11/nyc-subway-murders-jump-to-highest-levels-in-25-years-data/amp/
MillennialNightmare t1_j68vkhe wrote
Yes, up from a time 2 years ago when ridership was still significantly lower, especially considering that was the height of Delta.
devolka t1_j68x8bc wrote
Fair enough.
My issue here is the continual propagation of this false idea that adding cops or giving them more money or letting them torment who they don't like... none of that has been demonstrated to reduce crime.
And yet the media and politicians continue to disingenuously push it. They tried to reduce crime for a YEAR and failed. And now they found a way to cherry-pick the data to make it slightly positive.
MillennialNightmare t1_j68xqpj wrote
Fully agree that the decline being attributed to an increase in cops on the platform is absurd and purely a propaganda push to get more money to and overfunded police force.
chug84 t1_j6e9lll wrote
> This is Department of Propaganda type shit.
And all the transplants in this sub will fall for it and act like there's no crime in the subway.
M_Drinks t1_j695od3 wrote
If “The Wire” taught me anything, it’s how much cops juke stats to show what they want.
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Astoria321 t1_j693osq wrote
Ridership is at the highest point since the pandemic so where do you gather that there are less people out now than in October?
devolka t1_j69iklc wrote
Ridership dips in January.
ClarkFable t1_j6a1o3i wrote
It’s because police spending is up, and they want a results driven narrative
devolka t1_j6a7pqh wrote
They are also both getting their clock cleaned. Hocul won a much closer race than anyone was planning and just had her own party tank her Judicial nomination. Adams has one of rhe worst approval ratings in New York HISTORY. They are DESPERATE
koreamax t1_j69uzl6 wrote
This is a really good point, and you've definitely done your research. I think numbers like this, though, might give commuters some relief. People who take the subway daily, regardless of the month
devolka t1_j6a7woa wrote
I want the subway to be super safe for everyone so I'm pleased at the trend.
iv2892 t1_j69saam wrote
All ny post articles
Johnnadawearsglasses t1_j68cxcb wrote
I definitely feel like the crazy has dialed down a lot on the lines that I take. I'm thankful this was made a priority.
iRedditAlreadyyy t1_j691lzi wrote
Replying to this comment as the crazy man on my current train is screaming and flailing his arms around about 5 feet from me.
Filmatic113 t1_j6ak9jb wrote
“Crazy man”, so if you see anyone that you look down on, they’re also crazy? What right wing sub did you come from?
Icecream_Store t1_j6aurre wrote
Might be the fact that they’re screaming and flailing their arms. Not sure though
Spatsnation t1_j6b02mc wrote
what part of screaming and flailing their arms about did you not get?
Filmatic113 t1_j6b0fe0 wrote
That…that bothers you? Let me guess, you read NY post too? Do you deem that person less than you? Are you okay? Leave them alone
iRedditAlreadyyy t1_j6b6znd wrote
“Leave them alone”
Did I say I joined him in screaming and flailing his arms?
sirzoop t1_j6c27al wrote
No the NY post is garbage and fuck the crazy person for harassing him
iRedditAlreadyyy t1_j6b78af wrote
Did I say I looked down on them or did I make the observation that they are crazy? We could keep arguing in bad faith or you can just read what I typed. Your pick.
tyen0 t1_j6doc51 wrote
is "crazy man" on your list of forbidden terms like "homeless"? hah
thisfilmkid t1_j6a0n4n wrote
I take the subway three days a week.
These cops, a lot of them, are young (under 40), chill, and very attentive. I'm happy to see them in the subway. I try to make them feel welcomed by saying hello. And if I'm on the platform, I spark up a quick chat about life and a "take care, see you soon" when my train comes.
When you start talking to them, you finally realize they're people like me and you. They know the area and the community and might even know someone you know.
Despite all the issues surrounding police, not all of them are alike. I dislike some of them. And I love seeing some of them.
djn24 t1_j6e1026 wrote
One of the big issues that a lot of activist groups have called out in regards to policing is the disconnect between police and the communities they patrol. If they don't live in and participate in the community, then it creates a disconnect between them and the people they're supposed to be serving.
It's good to hear that you've had friendly interactions with them.
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smg2720 t1_j6aejuh wrote
They’re people like you and me? Sorry I don’t murder people with the state sponsoring me.
stealthnyc t1_j6amhqj wrote
Every cop murders people? This is a horrible generalization. If a New York resident murders someone, we can say all New Yorkers are murderers?
manateefourmation t1_j6gp9b8 wrote
Don’t give this moron the time of day.
smg2720 t1_j6antm9 wrote
We live in an era with an incredibly high level of cops killing innocent civilians, or have you not been watching the news for the last couple of years? If I generalize so be it.
Grass8989 t1_j6augji wrote
The NYPD have the least amount of police related shootings/killings of any major police dept in this country. Stop fear mongering.
manateefourmation t1_j6gpyc0 wrote
Exactly. Thank you. And I’m not a cop but I’m a life long New Yorker who hates these silly fact-less arguments.
smg2720 t1_j6av6hx wrote
Point taken but I’m not fear mongering I’m responded to nationwide incidents that have rocked our nation, a long history of police brutality in NYC and elsewhere, and my lives experience.
manateefourmation t1_j6gpqa4 wrote
No. We live in an era of cameras everywhere so police misconduct is sensationalized.
This is one of these silly statements that dominate rational discussion. For example, people, when surveyed, think the world is poorer now than 50 years ago, when actually poverty has been cut in half.
Just because the internet lets you see everything now, and everyone records everything, doesn’t mean that we live in an era of more police misconduct.
[deleted] t1_j69rtme wrote
good but still do more.
ECK-2188 t1_j6at22q wrote
So more police presence does in fact lower crime rates? 🤔
randoreds t1_j6a27ir wrote
Lfg
miltonfriedman2028 t1_j69mxkv wrote
Thank you mayor Adams
earlymountainrain t1_j69e3ar wrote
ITT: Hoping for crime to remain high to own both the right and the left
mahabraja t1_j68o9hd wrote
It's incredible how long it took the nypd to figure out exactly where subway crime is happening. I'm sure they busted a ton while they were in their cars on Facebook. But, it really is better they be on Facebook in the stations. The deterrent seems to be real. If only they could bust the criminals with fakebook DMs and alt right ramblings.
manateefourmation t1_j6gq4en wrote
How many people ride the subway every day? Do you know? Do you want to compare the crime rate per capita on the subway to any other city in the United States?
mahabraja t1_j6ladiy wrote
That's the entire point. Subway crime occurs on the subway and in subway stations. Where up until last October there has been a distinct lack of presence. There been posted up in their patrol cars on Facebook. Now they just facebook in the stations. It's definitely a step in the right direction.
manateefourmation t1_j6m0emt wrote
Although I very much appreciate the police presence, crime on the subway was overstated by people and sensationalized. In a world where everyone has video cameras and lots of easy - free- places to post the videos, crime seems out of control when the subway is actually quite safe. This is statistically true even with the spike since the pandemic.
devolka t1_j68dpwk wrote
Here is a Pro tip. When people want to fudge the numbers you often see over semantic statements like this.
In this case, they are telling you crime is DOWN 16% over the numbers over October...
Why October? Why not year over year which is USUALLY how we measure crime.
And for good reason. Less people are out and about in January over October. So less people usually equals less crime...
But WHY OCTOBER?
This is why.
https://nypost.com/2022/10/11/nyc-subway-murders-jump-to-highest-levels-in-25-years-data/amp/
https://nypost.com/2022/10/11/nyc-subway-murders-jump-to-highest-levels-in-25-years-data/amp/
From the article
>... if you compare the numbers to last year, crime in the transit system is up by more than 40%. The thing driving the numbers is larceny, which usually means someone's phone or wallet was stolen from their bag or off a seat, sometimes it's when people doze off.
So transit crime is UP 40% for the year.
>Robberies are also up by about 34%, Felony Assault is up by about 17%. If you compare those to last year when there were still a million fewer riders.
So the month they chose to compare to is the month with the with the MOST murders in 25 years...
Funny how the "reporter" didn't bother to check.
This is Department of Propaganda type shit.