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12stTales OP t1_j2to561 wrote
The hit and run driver is still on the lam
ZinnRider t1_j2u7hvm wrote
Which is exactly why it’s waaaaaay past time for free universal healthcare for every citizen.
Ya know, like it is in practically the entire rest of the world.
The power of insurance companies in this country is a blight on all of our lives.
AbazabaYouMyOnlyFren t1_j2uxu3o wrote
It's not free and I think it's a bad way to describe it. It's funded by tax dollars, which means everyone pays into it and everyone benefits from it.
JaqenHghar t1_j2v5odm wrote
Same as private insurance. We pay in to a plan and only use it when we need it…
Edit: to be clear I’m totally in favor of universal healthcare. Just pointing out that we already pay a ton. I wouldn’t care if it was my tax dollars and would actually be thrilled if it wasn’t tied to my job.
AbazabaYouMyOnlyFren t1_j2v715o wrote
Just think about how much of your insurance payments are just skimmed off as "shareholder value" and executive pay.
Comprehensive_Heat25 t1_j2whtde wrote
Private insurance plans and payments are the driving force behind everything. Who sets prices of the services you receive or supplies you use during your hospital visit? The hospital administration, right? Wrong. Insurance companies set the prices. And they set the prices so high because every 1 single private insurance patient that comes through the hospital pays for 3-4 Medicaid or Medicare patients that receive the same services. So, in essence, not only are you paying into a plan that’s used only when needed, but when you do need it you are ending up paying not only for your treatment, but also footing the bill for others. Don’t believe me? Look it up.
Titan_Astraeus t1_j2wbeai wrote
Yea not free but if we stop paying rates that support entire industries profiting off peoples sickness, it would probably end up saving tax money and boosting the economy.. it might even be better than free.
AbazabaYouMyOnlyFren t1_j2wkbaa wrote
Some people are so brainwashed that they can't wrap their head around the idea that your taxes would need to go up. Even if it's significantly LESS than the premium they pay now, to a private company for fewer services and high copays and deductibles.
Portability is another problem. You lose your job, you lose your coverage unless you pay COBRA rates.
It's a goddamned mess, and I'm tired of being bled dry.
freeradicalx t1_j2xhwph wrote
Yeah I have to agree. "Universal" is good and accurate, but "free" is a disingenuous word that only opens the door to tangential criticisms and distractions. It even sounds dishonest to someone hearing it with a critical ear. Imagine if "social security" was instead referred to as "free security" and that's how we promoted it?
AbazabaYouMyOnlyFren t1_j2xt9v2 wrote
Exactly my point.
vishnoo t1_j2xdffs wrote
but it is free, because currently the public expendture on health is 1.5 Tn $.
which is ~5000 per person per year.
enough to cover everyone (if you weed out the insurance companies, and the price gouging)
AbazabaYouMyOnlyFren t1_j2xea0u wrote
It has a cost, that cost is paid for by tax dollars, taxes are paid by all citizens in one way or another.
That's not what free means.
vishnoo t1_j2xnsiv wrote
yes, but since the amount currently paid is enough to cover everyone, there would be no additional charge.
in fact most people might be able to negotiate a pay raise if the employers are about to save 1.5 TN in health insurance coverage
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so not "free", but rather
you are already paying for it, just not getting it
Brian-Puccio t1_j2uvtuf wrote
Agreed, yes.
But also minimum 100/500/100 insurance policy limits. Whatever single-payer there is can then go after the car insurance carriers in subrogation. Drivers should pay for the increased danger their 4000+ pound hunks of metal do to society — especially when they’re designed to easily drive over minor obstacles such as curbs and pedestrians.
Comprehensive_Heat25 t1_j2wh4k3 wrote
If you have universal healthcare there will be no insurance policy limits to worry about. So…
vishnoo t1_j2xdap7 wrote
people are going to tell you "it isn't free" bla bla.
the public expenditure in the US (money from taxes) is ~$1.5 Trillion
without adding one red cent, (just by eliminating insurance companies and price gouging) this should be enough to cover everyone at european levels.
this will never happen because without it, the private expenditure is another 1.5 TN.
so without adding 1 cent to taxes, you could save everyone a lot of money AND cover everyone.
stork38 t1_j2wnkcz wrote
"free"
KaiDaiz t1_j2tmppb wrote
There a NY state victims compensation fund that victims are entitled to claim
evilgenius12358 t1_j2uats2 wrote
Looks kinds cheap tbh.
https://ovs.ny.gov/victim-compensation
Compensation Includes:
Expenses for medical or other related services that are not covered by other insurance or benefit programs
Lost earnings or loss of support up to $600 a week, not to exceed the maximum of $30,000
Lost savings of vulnerable elderly, or incompetent, or physically disabled persons, not to exceed the maximum of $30,000
Burial expenses up to $6,000 (for crimes committed on or after Nov. 1, 1996)
Occupational rehabilitation expenses
Counseling services to the victim of crime and to certain family members, in accordance with the OVS fee schedule, which is based on reasonable fee rates, depending on the credentials of the treating counselor
The cost of repair or replacement of essential personal property lost, damaged or destroyed as the direct result of a crime, up to $2,500. A maximum of $100 in cash can be replaced
Transportation expenses for necessary court appearances in connection with the prosecution of the crime or transportation for medical appointments necessary as a result of the crime
Employment-related transportation expenses, due to a victim’s personal physical injury as the result of a crime, up to $2,500
The cost of residing at or utilizing the services of a domestic violence shelter
Crime scene cleanup expenses and/or cost of securing a crime scene, up to $2,500
Attorney fees – up to a maximum of $1,000 – for representation before the agency and/or before an appellate court, upon judicial review of the victim’s OVS claim
KaiDaiz t1_j2ufs1q wrote
it is better than nothing. hopefully catch audi driver and get more from the car insurance
evilgenius12358 t1_j2uhepo wrote
You sounds like a victim of NYS government. We deserve better.
KaiDaiz t1_j2ulz18 wrote
take a look at other states victims compensation programs. ny is quite generous vs the norm
evilgenius12358 t1_j2um46o wrote
Better, yes. Generous, no.
cas-fortuit t1_j2ufr9n wrote
You think this person has insurance? I’m skeptical.
KaiDaiz t1_j2up2ob wrote
even if the audi driver don't or cant be found, they can still make some claim off the other driver that's paid by the uninsured motorist fund or in some cases the victims has some kind of insurance coverage themselves.
cas-fortuit t1_j2upd4q wrote
Definitely. The restaurant probably has insurance as well. The original comment seemed to be talking about the Audi driver and I wouldn’t count on anything there, even if he could be located.
RetroZelda t1_j2tlu2u wrote
I imagine it would come from the drive and then come from the restaurant
rmg t1_j2w6vso wrote
Literally all hit and run drivers should be investigated and arrested. It’s illegal to leave the scene of a crash.
EQTone t1_j2vpxhk wrote
> The hit-and-run driver should be investigated and arrested.
As opposed to what?
PatrickMaloney1 t1_j2trf7e wrote
Imagine the public outcry if a single person injured 22 people on a subway
nycdataviz t1_j2u0379 wrote
Imagine if the pilot of an airplane injured 22 people, or a ship captain. They literally have teams of federal employees waiting to investigate such incidents.
seenew t1_j2u2ja7 wrote
or if it was someone on a bike (not sure it would even be possible, but still)
iv2892 t1_j2u5v6e wrote
I hate idiots that think that somehow making a better environment for cyclists and making the city more walkable somehow equates me to trying to ban cars
freeradicalx t1_j2xi9m0 wrote
They'd be on the front page of the NY Post for months. They'd have a new pun headline for it every day.
iv2892 t1_j2tyh4x wrote
It would have been national news easily
cocoformayor t1_j2ufce1 wrote
This comment is spot on.
D14DFF0B t1_j2v2cbk wrote
Or if 22 people were shot by a single person.
Benny-B-Fresh t1_j2ver7m wrote
The subway shooter was just charged as a terrorist and now that you mention it I don’t see why this should be any different. Hell the subway shooter actually injured less people.
ICantThinkOfANameBud t1_j2wkyt7 wrote
Because this was an accident and not on purpose?
thesweetestchill_ t1_j2wuah2 wrote
The guy hit and run tho…
ICantThinkOfANameBud t1_j2wvumz wrote
Yes, so a deliberate crime - like the subway shooter.
cdavidg4 t1_j2tgw78 wrote
Was the restaurant wearing dark clothing? And more importantly, was it wearing a helmet.
shant_jan t1_j2tm72u wrote
the car had the right of way! roads are for cars not for restaurants! /s
George4Mayor86 t1_j2tmx9v wrote
The restaurant jumped out of nowhere! It should have been wearing reflective clothing.
Mechanical_Nightmare t1_j2ttks4 wrote
Nikolllllll t1_j2u5big wrote
😆 his car posts are something special. Man is driving around with a covered plate.
c3p-bro t1_j2v2nd4 wrote
Holy shit, that guy is a legit moron. Am deeply concerned he is allowed behind the wheel of a car.
AeneasSonofAnchises t1_j2wym6r wrote
I think we’ve found peak carbrain.
Unfortunately from his post history, he lives in buffalo, sounds about par for the course for upstate NY.
yuriydee t1_j2vadlk wrote
Lmfao how are people genuinely that stupid...
WeirdWreath t1_j2tzjm9 wrote
Were the patrons holding an orange flag?
PZeroNero t1_j2vap4w wrote
Did you even read the story?
simeonbachos t1_j2u58pg wrote
People drive way too fucking fast and none of the tough-on-crime demons ever have anything to say about it, they’re convinced someone sleeping in a bench is the real threat
casicua t1_j2uk6cf wrote
“Tough on crime” politicians usually just use it as a dog whistle for “tough on brown people”
averageuhbear t1_j2v0f6e wrote
I had a weird guy yell at me on the subway once, and a car almost hit me on my bike yesterday so let me tell you why my fear of homeless people is more important than me potentially dying.
Aiorr t1_j2tsplg wrote
The three young girls are less than 10 years old :(
iv2892 t1_j2tysex wrote
They are all luckily expected to survive , and one of them suffered a broken leg . I’m just glad that despite all the fuckery they are all alive and stable
TonytheNetworker t1_j2tdzus wrote
Praying for a swift recovery, luckily it seems no one got killed in this incident.
Bh10474 t1_j2tnshs wrote
Let me guess, fake out of state paper plates? They never catching the driver and because this happened in inwood, it’ll be forgotten about and swept under the rug in less than a week. This city is headed into the trash.
Mechanical_Nightmare t1_j2ttsu6 wrote
they should really check the cameras on the GW bridge. I'd bet they could be seeing going back home to NJ
seenew t1_j2u2n35 wrote
with fake plates
ScenicART t1_j2xbph1 wrote
knowing its inwood too, they were prob drunk driving. people in the heights and inwood are lawless fucking drivers.
oreoresti t1_j2tt00j wrote
The progressives anti driver policies are ruining this city. Why are they placing obstacles like buildings on the side of a road?
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D14DFF0B t1_j2u1fyy wrote
Ban cars
FarmSuch5021 t1_j2tihmj wrote
I wonder what they going to be charged with.
ITAVTRCC t1_j2to4uh wrote
They will be charged with one count of oopsie daisy
FarmSuch5021 t1_j2tonv6 wrote
It’s not the Uber driver who is at fault. But Audi who rear ended him and fled the scene.
Turbulent_Link1738 t1_j2un9p0 wrote
Downgraded from “Did I dooo thaaat?”
armylax20 t1_j2ty6ag wrote
It was Bill the Butcher driving?
toastedclown t1_j2tlypk wrote
You're kidding, right?
FarmSuch5021 t1_j2tni8s wrote
I’m not kidding. Some people get away with no punishment
toastedclown t1_j2tnocz wrote
Yeah, that's what I meant. This person will probably not even lose their license.
iv2892 t1_j2tye0v wrote
This gotta be a joke . Maybe if he would stayed on scene , but fleeing the scene is what makes it an actual felony instead of just a license suspension
toastedclown t1_j2u4f2x wrote
That's assuming they have valid plates and can be tracked down.
iv2892 t1_j2u4sz8 wrote
That’s an entire different story, but they better track it down for fucks sakes
toastedclown t1_j2u5cnl wrote
That would involve trying to track it down.
In any event, it's entirely the same story, which is that the NYPD has virtually zero interest in investigating these types of crimes.
I can also guarantee you that nobody is going to do any time at all for this.
seenew t1_j2u28ti wrote
remember that councilwoman from Jersey City?
acebarry t1_j2v7apj wrote
Say her name! Amy DeGise. Daughter of Hudson County Executive Tom DeGise.
She's still out there on the roads. Daddy protected her.
[deleted] t1_j2vgfdn wrote
Fleeing the scene is somehow worse than injuring 22 people?
iv2892 t1_j2w3zo4 wrote
No, but fleeing the scene makes you guilty by default. Instead of claiming that you just had an accident
An-Angel_Sent-By-God t1_j2vh305 wrote
Even if they get the plates, find the car, and confront the owner, the owner can just say that they weren't the person driving at the time. And there's the end of the investigation.
iv2892 t1_j2w3wwx wrote
I don’t think you can get away that easily
PandaJ108 t1_j2u04hj wrote
Suspect will do time for this case but chances are the suspect is somebody with 10+ arrest and probably should not have been out in the streets to begin with.
seenew t1_j2u2aoy wrote
people don't do time for a hit and run in this city
PandaJ108 t1_j2ussvg wrote
Some cases to keep on eye on as they are still on going.
D.A. Bragg Announces Manslaughter Charges in Fatal Hit And Run
Court case ongoing with suspect still in jail due to bail being denied.
3 arrested in New York City hit and run with stolen catalytic converters; victim ID'd
Only the driver was given bail, which was paid, and charge in regards to the fetal hit and run. The passengers in the vehicle were only charge with the theft of the converters and released recognizance. Court case for all three is still ongoing.
Man arrested on murder charges in Brooklyn hit-and-run crash that left grandma dead, boy hurt.
Court case ongoing with suspect still in jail due to bail being denied.
Driver charged in NYC hit-and-run that left innocent bystander dead
Court case ongoing with suspect still in jail due to bail being denied.
NYPD arrests man for hit-and-run death of 5-year-old in Queens
Court case ongoing. Suspect was given 100K bail/bond, which was paid.
Suspected NYC hit-and-run driver who struck 3, including toddler, facing 17 charges
Court case ongoing. Suspect was given $1 million bond/$500K, which was posted.
NYC moped driver sentenced in hit-and-run death of ‘Gone Girl’ actress Lisa Banes
Suspect sentenced
Suspect sentenced
I know very few hit and runs get investigated and as far as I know the issue is more on the investigative (or the lack there-off) side. But now that criticism is morphing into “even those arrested” don’t do anytime. Which yeah, am sure they are cases where the person possibly got of with just probation. Pretty sure you have cases in mind for you to believe that nobody does time for hit and runs, but am going to go out on a limb and say whatever case you have in mind varies greatly to an incident involving 20+ people injured.
Granted most of the cases I linked involve fatalities. But not much precedent in NYC in regards to hit and runs in which 20+ people are injured. I can only think of two. That guy who rammed people in Times Square and was found to be unfit for court and is now confined to a nuthouse. And the U-haul truck incident, which was a terror attack.
_Maxolotl t1_j2un9i0 wrote
Queens DA let a lady walk last year, sure seemed like she road raged and killed a dude on a scooter while hitting a sidewalk shed full of people eating dinner.
Crazy drivers get off with no charges a lot.
PandaJ108 t1_j2us8fb wrote
And that incident greatly varies from this incident.
casicua t1_j2uk3eg wrote
Lol that would require the NYPD to do actual police work first
KaiDaiz t1_j2tg8qx wrote
Hoping they got the Audi driver's credit card when filling tank or real plates at the gas station
[deleted] t1_j2tozr6 wrote
Well it was negligent of the diners to be eating without helmets merely 15 feet from a road where a driver could easily slam into the storefront. Clearly no way to prevent this except banning restaurants within 50 feet of streets
seenew t1_j2u1rsn wrote
but let me tell ya those e-bikes sure are dangerous!!!
I_AM_TARA t1_j2u8cme wrote
Iirc wasn’t the takeaway that road design encouraging speed is the reason? Never could get behind this reason as plenty of car-into-building crashes involve drivers starting up their parked cars.
_Maxolotl t1_j2unuof wrote
In civilized countries, head-in diagonal parking is rarer and bollards or guardrails protecting sidewalks are more common.
NYC knows how to block cars when the DOT really cares about it effectively. For example, the Manhattan Bridge bike path, or the Hudson Greenway, or Ground Zero.
But in Paris and Tokyo, for example, there are guardrails or bollards along many, many sidewalks, not just on huge boulevards or in tourist areas.
What this should tell us is that the DOT doesn't care as much as it should about protecting pedestrians. We have the most pedestrians per square mile in this hemisphere, and the city is barely even trying.
doodle77 t1_j2tb7o7 wrote
Can I blame this on curbside dining sheds?
toastedclown t1_j2tmafs wrote
No, it's clearly the fault of those cyclists rolling through stop signs (not motorists rolling through stop signs though-- they are perfect angels who can do no wrong).
mowotlarx t1_j2uwz7q wrote
Police report: 22 people accidentally made contact with SUV near restaurant.
Hinohellono t1_j2v2ght wrote
Pesky bikes killing again
DeathMetalVeganPasta t1_j2vj8yz wrote
I’m all for more traffic enforcement since it does save lives. But the people that tend to drive like assholes, ignore traffic laws and injure people are also the people that flee the police. But chasing people is dangerous. So, who stops for the police? Normal law abiding citizens. Normally, this wouldn’t be a problem if there were like consequences to bad behavior when one of these assholes is caught doing something, but well there aren’t. So here we are.
neutral_cloud t1_j2xve3o wrote
This is why enforcement isn't the most effective thing we can do to save more lives. Assholes are pretty evenly distributed in populations around the world, but many of our peer countries have used a combination of design and regulation to bring car crash deaths way down. To be clear, assholes who break the law and hurt or kill people need to pay. But if the goal is saving lives, of the several things that need to be done toward that goal, enforcement isn't the biggest or most effective piece.
waywardhours t1_j2up5va wrote
was down broadway and saw/heard the lights from ems and police pulling up- i wish they gave us plates for the audi, but holy shit there are so many reckless drivers in this area. the other day my mirror got knocked in the other direction; was parked on 213 and so did everyone else’s on the block
braininjury5000 t1_j2uvm3t wrote
The Audi likely has fake plates or no plates. That could be the case anywhere, but especially in Inwood.
The NYPD and other area law enforcement agencies have stopped enforcing license plate violations because they themselves obscure the plates on their personal vehicles. It's a downward spiral.
waywardhours t1_j2uvvmx wrote
for sure , i’ve seen it all, even temp plate dealings on the corner in inwood looking like drug dealings. but i wish there was some other identifiers or any description of the driver because most white audi sedan drivers (especially in the area) are fairly reckless.
PandaJ108 t1_j2uyyil wrote
When you say “stopped enforcement” was does that mean?
How many obstructed plate summonses do you think have been issued? Do you think more have been issued since last year?
braininjury5000 t1_j2v2yz3 wrote
I think 0 obstructed plate summonses have been issued to cops, officer. I think since summer 2020, dozens of my fake/no plate 311 cases and emails to my precinct NCOs have been laughed away.
I think the NYPD don't do shit since summer 2020.
user_joined_just_now t1_j3002qy wrote
> I think 0 obstructed plate summonses have been issued to cops
Truly masterful usage of verbiage to avoid answering the question. Did you learn that in English 101?
> I think the NYPD don't do shit since summer 2020.
You should know that police are not the solution to crime. Solving crime requires addressing its root causes by providing things like housing opportunities and social services to those who find themselves committing crime. In this case, we can address the root causes by giving these benefits and services to people engaging in license plate obfuscation.
braininjury5000 t1_j34o48i wrote
No, I learned on the streets, foo'
... and I did answer the question, didn't I?
Kaekru t1_j2tulf7 wrote
The amount of people making quirky and sarcastic comments is astonishing
BklynBeat t1_j2tw7k7 wrote
It’s because everyone knows the police don’t do anything to punish drivers yet blame it on anything else they possibly can.
I got t-boned on my motorcycle by a driver making an illegal turn. They tried to drive off but I got in-front of their car and a bystander helped. Police came she straight up told them she made an illegal turn and hit me blaming me for being in her way. They didn’t give her a ticket or anything I had to practically beg them to write an incident report.
Nikolllllll t1_j2u5rw2 wrote
You are lucky they even showed up. A lot of times they don't even bother even if there are injuries.
iv2892 t1_j2uh4tr wrote
Maybe we need to set up a bounty system so people can anonymously report hit and run drivers and collect 25% of the fine while the city collects the rest
casicua t1_j2ukhgi wrote
Cops actively refuse to do anything now because they got their fee fees hurt when people wanted bad cops held accountable. They’re really teaching us all a lesson for not licking enough boot.
iv2892 t1_j2tz0fq wrote
Maybe if they are cops , I still had to go to court and get my points removed because I was doing 35 on a 25mph. So something like this has to be MUCH worse in terms of punishments unless they have connections of course
_Maxolotl t1_j2uobvd wrote
Dark humor is an essential coping mechanism in a dystopia.
qdpb t1_j2veuvl wrote
Indeed. In a normal city shit like this would never be possible. Here, just a matter of time. All that’s left is jokes :(
xoxofeebzz t1_j2v43os wrote
Of course it’s an Audi driver
newusername1312 t1_j2xwe5g wrote
I'm surprised it wasn't nypd that did this, given their stellar driving record
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Justinontheinternet t1_j2vvake wrote
We need an assault suv ban asap!
vegeta1418 t1_j2udpo7 wrote
Happy New Years everyone!!!
serene_penguin1 t1_j2wl5f4 wrote
Big surprise, hes a ride share driver. Lets fucking bad these morons already
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Awkward-Painter-2024 t1_j2wizmj wrote
It won't matter. Alvin "I love Trump" Bragg won't charge the driver. Fuck SUVs.
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NetQuarterLatte t1_j2tkq49 wrote
The hit-and-run driver should be investigated and arrested. Injuring 22 people is quite a count for a single incident.
But what happens to the liability insurance here?
22 hospital bills must blow through anyone's insurance coverage.