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qdpb t1_j53eua5 wrote

Reply to comment by HEIMDVLLR in Police need to crack down on people in Brooklyn not stopping at red lights by malefootlover1

Gotta start this with pedestrians, and throw in cyclists and straphangers. Anything to excuse the only party behind the wheel of a 2 ton vehicle.

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HEIMDVLLR t1_j553vmu wrote

I started with pedestrians, because we’re all pedestrians first.

After you get out of the car, you have to walk to your destination. After you exit the subway station or get off the bus, you have to walk to your destination. Same with cyclist, they have to get off the bike at some point and walk to their destination.

Vehicles are not your enemy. If you think so, take that goofy shit to r/fuckcars.

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qdpb t1_j55kqxr wrote

Thanks man, next can you tell us about how a bill becomes law?

This is a thread about cars not stopping at red lights. Each and every one of these cars is my personal fucking enemy.

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HEIMDVLLR t1_j55p6a4 wrote

You just want to argue. My original point is, no one give a fuck about the rules. Which is placing all of US in danger. Just because I own a car doesn’t make me immune from getting hit.

As a driver, I can get t-boned by a car running a red light. I also could hit someone crossing against the light.

Same applies when I park my car and I’m walking to my destination, I have to pay attention while crossing the street, because I can get hit too!

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qdpb t1_j56k25e wrote

It's not that owning a car doesn't make you immune from getting hit; it's me not owning a car does make me immune from hitting someone with it. You're saying no one gives a fuck about the rules, but the consequences of a driver not giving a fuck are so much more dire than anyone else not giving a fuck, that by wrapping drivers into the category of "no one", you're excusing them. And they don't have the excuse, they're the only ones with a power of unleashing 2 tons of weight on someone else.

It doesn't matter if I don't pay attention when crossing the street, running the red in your car is still exactly as wrong. You can get hit too, but you're a driver, of course you can get hit, the problem is you're putting other people in danger!

Or perhaps I just don't understand what you mean by "no one gives a fuck about the rules". Why do you think it's relevant to the problem of cars running the red lights?

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HEIMDVLLR t1_j56ry1b wrote

Crossing against the light puts you and others in danger as well. You’re forcing a driver to either hit you or swerve and hit someone else.

Ask any driver how they respond when a pedestrian steps into the street or a cyclist blows a red light.

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qdpb t1_j575dbp wrote

I'm sure this happens, but again, you're trying to equate two things are are not comparable. About 300 people die each year in New York from cars, and about 0 people die each year in New York from jaywalking. These are different things, on a different scale.

I'm not saying jaywalking is good, of course we should all look both ways and everything. I'm saying it is nothing compared to running red lights in a car. One has nothing to do with another, and one of them is a serious offense, while the other one is a nuissance.

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HEIMDVLLR t1_j57922m wrote

They are comparable, because they have a cause and effect on each other. Cars swerving to avoid hitting pedestrians put others in danger. Running across traffic to catch a bus before it pulls off is dangerous. Staring at your phone while crossing the street is dangerous.

Jaywalking have caused accidents, even cyclists complain about pedestrians stepping off the curb into the bike lane and vice-versa, cyclist blowing red lights and hitting pedestrians crossing with the right-of-way.

The point is, everyone has to do better and not be an asshole toward others commuting.

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qdpb t1_j57ctas wrote

Here we go again. They don't have a strong cause and effect on each other. Drivers don't kill 300 New Yorkers a year because of jaywalking or pedestrians staring at the phones.

I don't know if you're doing a bit at this point, but it's frankly offensive how over and over you're trying to assign the responsibility for driving responsibly to the people who are not in the car.

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HEIMDVLLR t1_j57o2lj wrote

The difference between us is, I drive and know what I see every time I’m driving. You would be surprised how often drivers have to react to inconsiderate pedestrians.

People have this attitude that if they get hit, they can sue. Problem is, you can’t guarantee you will survive the hit.

I have to blow my horn at pedestrians crossing against the light. The person taking their time crossing after the light is flashing to don’t cross, don’t care to look up because they’re distracted by their phone.

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qdpb t1_j57u1l4 wrote

I get what you see when you're driving. I just don't understand why that's relevant. Do you think the behavior you see allows you to run red lights? Or why are you recounting these anecdotes?

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