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qdpb t1_j56k25e wrote

Reply to comment by HEIMDVLLR in Police need to crack down on people in Brooklyn not stopping at red lights by malefootlover1

It's not that owning a car doesn't make you immune from getting hit; it's me not owning a car does make me immune from hitting someone with it. You're saying no one gives a fuck about the rules, but the consequences of a driver not giving a fuck are so much more dire than anyone else not giving a fuck, that by wrapping drivers into the category of "no one", you're excusing them. And they don't have the excuse, they're the only ones with a power of unleashing 2 tons of weight on someone else.

It doesn't matter if I don't pay attention when crossing the street, running the red in your car is still exactly as wrong. You can get hit too, but you're a driver, of course you can get hit, the problem is you're putting other people in danger!

Or perhaps I just don't understand what you mean by "no one gives a fuck about the rules". Why do you think it's relevant to the problem of cars running the red lights?

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HEIMDVLLR t1_j56ry1b wrote

Crossing against the light puts you and others in danger as well. You’re forcing a driver to either hit you or swerve and hit someone else.

Ask any driver how they respond when a pedestrian steps into the street or a cyclist blows a red light.

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qdpb t1_j575dbp wrote

I'm sure this happens, but again, you're trying to equate two things are are not comparable. About 300 people die each year in New York from cars, and about 0 people die each year in New York from jaywalking. These are different things, on a different scale.

I'm not saying jaywalking is good, of course we should all look both ways and everything. I'm saying it is nothing compared to running red lights in a car. One has nothing to do with another, and one of them is a serious offense, while the other one is a nuissance.

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HEIMDVLLR t1_j57922m wrote

They are comparable, because they have a cause and effect on each other. Cars swerving to avoid hitting pedestrians put others in danger. Running across traffic to catch a bus before it pulls off is dangerous. Staring at your phone while crossing the street is dangerous.

Jaywalking have caused accidents, even cyclists complain about pedestrians stepping off the curb into the bike lane and vice-versa, cyclist blowing red lights and hitting pedestrians crossing with the right-of-way.

The point is, everyone has to do better and not be an asshole toward others commuting.

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qdpb t1_j57ctas wrote

Here we go again. They don't have a strong cause and effect on each other. Drivers don't kill 300 New Yorkers a year because of jaywalking or pedestrians staring at the phones.

I don't know if you're doing a bit at this point, but it's frankly offensive how over and over you're trying to assign the responsibility for driving responsibly to the people who are not in the car.

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HEIMDVLLR t1_j57o2lj wrote

The difference between us is, I drive and know what I see every time I’m driving. You would be surprised how often drivers have to react to inconsiderate pedestrians.

People have this attitude that if they get hit, they can sue. Problem is, you can’t guarantee you will survive the hit.

I have to blow my horn at pedestrians crossing against the light. The person taking their time crossing after the light is flashing to don’t cross, don’t care to look up because they’re distracted by their phone.

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qdpb t1_j57u1l4 wrote

I get what you see when you're driving. I just don't understand why that's relevant. Do you think the behavior you see allows you to run red lights? Or why are you recounting these anecdotes?

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