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drpvn t1_j4v8y5y wrote

Yes, I would expect that eviction rates would increase after an eviction ban was lifted.

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lifeisjuicyjuicy t1_j4vlkai wrote

This was inevitable and the city should have planned for it better. Obviously landlords were going to evict people not paying rent as soon as they were able and the government couldn't interfere with private contracts forever, once immediate danger was over that was always going to end - the city had like 2 years to come up with a plan for this.

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M_Drinks t1_j4w70d8 wrote

Shocked that Adams didn't have a plan for this. Shocked!

/s (obviously)

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ChrisFromLongIsland t1_j4wxkab wrote

The government helped people over and over again by saying they did not have to pay rent and then delayed foreclosure again and again. The government also had rent subsidy programs to help people catch up. At what point is it the responsibility of the people not paying rent to figure it out? I would have figured they have been saving money for the time they would need a new apartment.

Not exactly sure what else Adam's or government is supposed to do here.

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akmalhot t1_j4yr9ik wrote

you thoguth americans were saving money? we make on average much higher salaries than the rest of the world across the board, and just spend it all

everyone buys all kindso f junk, tons of travel, going out for food, drink, concerts, shows etc...

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M_Drinks t1_j4wzsq7 wrote

I guess my point is that if this was clearly the inevitable result, it was going to result in a rise in homelessness, which is very much Adams's problem (as well as the rest of ours).

He could have prepared for this by expanding/improving homeless shelters, but it seems like his only "solution" for the homeless problem is to make photo ops out of bulldozing their tents.

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spicytoastaficionado t1_j4w1a69 wrote

This was inevitable.

There are tenants who haven't paid their rent for upwards of nearly 3 years now.

Government can't keep extending eviction moratoriums, and NY doesn't have the budget to just pay everyone's back-rent, either.

The one benefit tenants still have is that courts are still short-staffed, and the backlog is still going through pre-pandemic evictions.

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ctindel t1_j4yigj5 wrote

> The one benefit tenants still have is that courts are still short-staffed, and the backlog is still going through pre-pandemic evictions.

Also that they've lived 3 years rent free. If I had ever lived 3 years rent free I'd have enough for a down payment on a co-op.

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spicytoastaficionado t1_j5042j7 wrote

>I'd have enough for a down payment on a co-op.

You'd think so, but I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people just pissed that extra $$$ away.

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ctindel t1_j505yrd wrote

> You'd think so, but I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people just pissed that extra $$$ away.

Me either, but that's their prerogative. I remember when we gave people a bunch of extra money and they decided to blow it all on fireworks.

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Kiritowerty t1_j54sb0q wrote

Oh God. I completely forgot about the 3 month long July 4th pandemic fireworks

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EasyE0287 t1_j502lfn wrote

>and NY doesn't have the budget to just pay everyone's back-rent, either.

They won't have to. Landlords already adjusted the market rate of new/future leases to account for x% added risk of eviction moritorium. NYC, and renters across the US, will be making up back-rent via higher future rent.

Of course, this is only one part of why rents have risen so sharply over the last two years.

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TheNormalAlternative t1_j4vy0rh wrote

Usually, when a ban is lifted, the previously banned activity becomes more prevalent.

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Grass8989 t1_j4vba0v wrote

Hard hitting journalism from the gothamist. No one could have foreseen evictions increasing after the end of the moratorium!

“The number of legal residential removals rose each month from January to November following the end of the pandemic-spurred eviction moratorium that halted all but 239 legal removals between March 15, 2020 and its expiration on Jan. 15, 2022, according to city data.”

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misterferguson t1_j4wjrzt wrote

Is there any place one can see the figures for how many homeless people are homeless as the result of an eviction? The headline implies that there’s a causal relationship here, but my understanding of homelessness is that its causes are more nuanced than just “got evicted, now homeless”.

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SolitaryMarmot t1_j4wm984 wrote

Coalition for the Homeless publishes an annual survey. Eviction is typically the number one cause with overcrowding in a current housing situation being 2nd. Domestic violence was also a big one, particularly for unhoused children. I haven't read the most recent survey, but it doesn't change that much year to year I don't think.

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oceanblue966 t1_j4y8o38 wrote

Good thing all the tenants have been putting at least half of the money they’d be spending on rent into a savings account for the last 3 years. They should easily have a nice cushion to rent a new place or a down payment in NYC/greater NYC area.

Right?

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Sad-Principle3781 t1_j4x3g97 wrote

maybe the homeless can make use of those migrant camps or hotels the mayor has contracted out for them. It'll help alleviate some of the burden and average out the housing needs of both groups.

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theshruj t1_j4y829e wrote

what percent of the increase in homelessness is related to the eviction rate? just checking this isnt some clickbait type study to rile people for some policies before forming an opinion

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Immediate-Pool-4391 t1_j4yvu0e wrote

The landlords will just self help evict like my shitty landlord did.

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Front_Spare_2131 t1_j4wjhr3 wrote

LLs, they want you to pay for a 2023 Honda but give you a 1999 Honda to drive

Quite frankly people need to start getting tired of accepting these used apartments

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oceanblue966 t1_j4y8seg wrote

Sure. No one is putting a gun to your head and making you rent them. Plenty of luxury new buildings to rent in.

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Front_Spare_2131 t1_j50ai6y wrote

Meh, craftsmanship is poor in many new buildings as well

https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/now/tenants-frustrated-gushing-water-floods-050942380.html

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oceanblue966 t1_j5149zl wrote

Okay, then don't rent in the building. Thats the point, freeloaders are ruining it for landlords & everyone else trying to get into an apartment that isn't a bum and is willing to pay.

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Front_Spare_2131 t1_j518f8r wrote

Freeloaders? How exactly do you freeload off a landlord? If you don’t pay, you get evicted.

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oceanblue966 t1_j51blyz wrote

What about the eviction moratorium? You literally could not evict people for years, and even prior to COVID, NYC is a tenant-friendly city. Imagine evicting someone after 2 years and not even getting back-pay since they don't have any assets to seize via court. And at the same time, you are paying maintenance, prop taxes, and still have to service them as a landlord.

Literal theft.

There's a reason now you need to make x amount the rent because they don't want broke asses who can barely afford the rent deciding to spend the money elsewhere.

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Front_Spare_2131 t1_j51dxdw wrote

Maybe we should check and see what was done the last time there was a pandemic of this magnitude with ppl losing their jobs and everything

The funny thing is if govt would have sat back and did nothing, ppl would have complained about that too

I guess from your point of view LLs are exempt from planning for a rainy day

What were they doing prior to the pandemic when ppl were not paying rent

I used to work for an L&T firm, ppl have always not paid rent

If everybody paid rent Housing Court would prolly have like 2-3 cases a month

Most LLs who got hurt by the pandemic were small time LLs relying on the tenants to pay their mortgages, which is bad business anyway

PS: how is it that all these ppl got fraudulent PPP loans and these LLs couldnt get a penny, since they’re complaining about not being able to pay bills?

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oceanblue966 t1_j51wn9w wrote

Prior to the pandemic, there was no eviction moratorium. While it still took a while to evict (which shouldn't be the case if its unreasonably long).

"Most LLs who got hurt by the pandemic were small time LLs relying on the tenants to pay their mortgages, which is bad business anyway" so you'd rather big corporations own huge buildings and hundreds of units, just because they can weather over a "rainy day"?

The courts are backed up to hell, there is no justice for LL's atm.

PPP isn't for a landlord renting out a few-unit building or a house...

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idratherbeintamriel t1_j54hzgi wrote

They had a shit business model and it bit them in the ass. Oh well. Sell the building to the tenants and maybe they should get a second job.

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oceanblue966 t1_j54yve0 wrote

So when two parties mutually sign a lease contract, you expect the landlord to hold up their end of the bargain (provide the domicile, keep it in operating order, pay property taxes, maintenance, and other agreed upon terms in the lease like heat/hot water), and keep the rent the same for x months or years.

Yet you think tenants should not adhere to the contract they agreed to?

When housing courts are backed up, what happens when a landlord isn't adhering to their end of the bargain? Landlords are taking advantage of this as well, why do you think so many issues like rodents are never dealt with?

A "shit business model" would be buying a property for way above what it can rent for, and then not finding tenants that can afford the rent. Not contractually-obligated tenants to skip out on paying, due to the government intervening and essentially modifying a legally binding contract.

And the tenants wouldn’t be bumming off a landlord if they were in any position or state of mind to buy, so that is a moot point. Or you just want people to give up their property for free that they paid for, is what you’re saying.

You sound like the NYPD.

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Creepy_Indication_67 t1_j51v9wh wrote

Screw the landlords

Screw these bums that could pay but didn't

Screw the housing market

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idratherbeintamriel t1_j54hw8t wrote

Get a second job

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oceanblue966 t1_j54zv9r wrote

Thats what right-wingers say when you can’t afford basic necessities. Except this time, you’re trying to steal from someone else, who is likely not a rich elite themselves. Stop hurting your fellow humans.

Also, have fun renting forever. Or not, as evictions on your record will never allow you to rent again from any landlord who gives a shit.

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