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MasterDave t1_j3lt69z wrote

everyone's about to fuck around and find out.

Sure wish the directors could be held directly responsible for anyone who dies due to a lack of nurses available. It would be nice to see them have some prision time in their endless quest for profits in the healthcare system.

Just fucking hire more nurses, pay them better and treat them with respect. It ain't fucking hard.


sternfan1523 t1_j3m4gyh wrote

Whose everyone? Nobody besides hospital administrators don’t think we should be giving more resources to health care professionals.


ChrisNYC70 t1_j3muct6 wrote

no more nurses to hire. the whole country has a nursing shortage. this has been the case for years and it’s getting worse when you look at the nurse per patient ratio.

what really sucks is that we have people who have immigrated from other countries. but since we refuse to allow their experience and certification to carry over these people are not eligible to work


lkroa t1_j3njmk0 wrote

it’s not a shortage of nurses. it’s a shortage of nurses willing to work under these conditions (which have been rapidly worsening for years). many nurses are leaving the bedside for non bedside roles, retiring early, or moving to other careers entirely.

fix the working conditions and you won’t have a nursing shortage


ChrisNYC70 t1_j3nro87 wrote

Disagree. I work with a non profit that provides home care and health and wellness classes. Our nurse retired back in Feb. she loved her job with us. No bed pans. It was just meeting with clients and reviewing medications. Setting goals. 90% of the clients came to her and for home bound clients she had an Uber account for them. It was a 9-5 Monday through Friday job. Vacation, sick, health insurance, retirement plan. The works. Salary was in the low $90k.

We have always had a hard time finding nurses and it’s not the pay, location, type of job, co workers or hours. When you speak to any nursing school or temp agency they will tell you the people are not out there. Right now when we need nurses , the most over the last 10 years we have seen less and less people want to become nurses. Younger people are expected to be “more than nurses” all are pushed to go to school and get a business degree or if they have interest in medicine. It’s to be a doctor, dentist, vet even.

It’s not as simple as pay them more and they will come.


PBreg t1_j3o9mf7 wrote

Nobody wants to be a doctor anymore. PA schools and other "provider" pathways provide better schedules, almost the same amount of money, and they wear long white coats so patient's don't even know they're not doctors.

And that's not even mentioning the lack of respect that doctors get now, not just from the C suite executives, but also from a lot of patients as well. Just like nursing, it's just not worth becoming a doctor anymore.


ShatteredCitadel t1_j3o60zo wrote

You can disagree all you want. Why do you think people want to work as a doctor or dentist or vet over being a nurse? It sure as shit isn’t cause they like staring at teeth or putting their hand up a cows birthing canal. It’s money. Nurses earn considerably less than the three professions you listed. If the nurses earned $500K for the top on their field in specialist positions like doctors do (or even more for the real rockstars) then you bet your ass people would line up out the door for nurses.

A lack of good wages for a long time has kept interest in the role down. Now there’s both a wage and staff shortage. Even if they up the salaries to insane levels the staff problem won’t be solved.


volkommm t1_j3ocp67 wrote

Most people are at the job they are at because their ACTUAL dream jobs are unattainable or unrealistic due to lack of opportunity, lack of willpower/intelligence, or other circumstances.

Not everyone can be an astronaut, but I bet you everyone on that mission planning team wishes they were.

There's a difference between people wanting a job for money and wanting a job because it's decent money and it's the best they can do.


ShatteredCitadel t1_j3oh8yt wrote

I would absolutely be a nurse if it paid way more. Many people would. Not because it’s money because there are people who are passionate about many things.


numba1cyberwarrior t1_j3mq1b1 wrote

> It would be nice to see them have some prision time in their endless quest for profits in the healthcare system.

Mount Sinai is a non profit


TheWhalersOnTheMoon t1_j3ms58d wrote

Honestly, for-profit and non-profit hospitals behave about the same (sure, the bottom line profits aren't distributed to shareholders or whatever, but the still ensure they are maximizing revenue). Look up the largest healthcare systems in each state, most of them are probably "non-profit" and still bringing in 10+ billion in revenues each year.


numba1cyberwarrior t1_j3msupt wrote

Revenue isn't profit, doing some napkin math you could prob seize every single penny from all the Mount Sinai executives and it wouldn't even pay for the raises that the employees are demanding.

Fact is that healthcare is expensive as shit.


TheWhalersOnTheMoon t1_j3mvjzx wrote

I know the difference, though not sure why that matters in this context? I'm just saying that the behavior of the two entities do not differ much - you'll find that some of the most expensive hospitals in the country are in fact non-profit (mostly due to their size). And yeah, no one can disagree with the fact that healthcare is expensive as shit in America.


Human-Fishing-9292 t1_j3ov4jh wrote

You do not represent the Registered Nurses in a good light. Your tirade ,especially with foul language, brings my profession down into the level of the sewer. Have some PRIDE and act as a PROFESSIONAL.


drpvn t1_j3m0g5f wrote

You think people will die because of this?


MasterDave t1_j3m58f3 wrote

I think people are -already- dying because of this. This isn't a new concern, hospitals have been understaffed for the last 2 years minimum, even longer in reality.

Most of the time nobody gives a shit since it's just been old people that have been the majority of the corpses and we've decided as a society that "fuck old people" is just fine in the last couple years. A nurse shortage and now a nurse outage has pretty clear implications with regards to responding to acute problems in a hospital, not to mention the inability to properly diagnose new patients.

Doctors are good and all, but the nurse is the first line of defense and gets paid fuck all for doing it. The doctors just come in, read the nurse's notes and do their best most of the time. Bad info in, bad treatment out.


drpvn t1_j3m5g8j wrote

I meant because of the strike specifically, which is what your comment implies.


thelowgun t1_j3m8egl wrote

Do you think hospitals with no nurses will lead to more deaths?


drpvn t1_j3m8m3r wrote

I would assume so, but what do I know.