Submitted by Skadi793 t3_z8sasl in personalfinance

I have a buddy who has no health insurance. Got into a car accident and had to be taken to the hospital by ambulance. He didn't have to have surgery or any invasive treatments, just a MRI.

They charged him $1200 for the MRI, and $800 for the ambulance

then they charged him over $19,000 for the hospital visit, which to me is totally outrageous. I had sinus surgery years ago and had to stay overnight in the hospital, and the whole thing cost $12,000

he can't pay this. Has anyone dealt with anything like this before? Does he have any recourse?

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blacktothebird t1_iyd0kqw wrote

First thing is to ask for an itemized bill. that will usually drop it by a bunch since they have trouble making the number up and matching it to services rendered.

Second: once I get that bill I would go down to the hospital and see if they have any discounted service for non-insurance/low income. They usually does.

once all said and done you could probably look at half that bill if not less

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Liquidretro t1_iyd25bs wrote

If he wasn't at fault the other party's auto insurance may also pay some of the bill.

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fawningandconning t1_iycypoc wrote

Do you guys live in a no fault state? Did he cause the accident?

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Skadi793 OP t1_iyd5762 wrote

he was at fault. His policy covered 10k of his medical, but now he needs to come up with 11k

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Bojackson63044 t1_iyd28ep wrote

Unfortunately that’s probably a fair market price for an ER visit depending on where he lives. By law providers are not allowed to charge different prices for services so what happens is the retail price for healthcare is dramatically higher than what the provider expects in return from the insurance companies. For example, if your buddy had good health insurance, his actual financial responsibility would have been much less. Just one of the many ways our healthcare system is broken.

However as some have mentioned already, many hospitals/clinics realize that uninsured patients will end up with the largest bill and many of them will have a patient financial assistance or advocacy department to help patients negotiate down their bill based on their ability to pay - sometimes at significant discounts. I would definitely ask your buddy to reach out to the hospital.

I am a physician and I always thought I had good insurance until I went into the ER for a kidney stone (the same hospital I worked at) and received a bill for over $2k after - turns out I had a high deductible plan.

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nobody_in_here t1_iycyska wrote

Yes, they do have room to bring the charges down. He needs to make his case though. I visited the ER one time because the local emergent care wasn't open at 2 am. They charged me about 6k at first. When a lady from the hospital called so I could set up financing with them, I told her I would've suffered instead of coming in had I known it would cost so much. She knocked my bill down to 4k after that. Not much but it's something. (My visit only needed topical lidocaine, $800 by itself from the ER btw).

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Salty_Drummer2687 t1_iycywfv wrote

That's a pretty good price for the MRI and ambulance I'd think.

Ask the hospital for an itemized bill and go from there.

A lot of time they will settle for 50% cash payment ..that's still 10k payment though.

There's also a lot of charity's that pay hospital bills partially or fully, my brother had a 15k bill paid in full by a charity and he isn't even considered low income.

Other than that, if it were me, I'd just tell the hospital I can pay 15-20 bucks a month indefinitely or nothing. I'm not 100% sure but hospital debt may not affect your credit.

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virtualchoirboy t1_iyd01sj wrote

He might be able to file a claim against the auto insurance since a lot of policies include bodily injury coverage. If he was not at fault, he might even want to talk to his auto insurance company about filing a claim against his insurance and having them subrogate the claim.

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Skadi793 OP t1_iyd4zrl wrote

he was at fault. His policy covered 10k of his medical expenses, but he is now on the hook for 11k

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