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DeluxeXL t1_j29quql wrote

Used car salemen have the reputation of being scummy.

New car not so much. Check the price on the internet and stick to it (plus local taxes and fees). It's the finance manager you have to worry about. He/she will try to push all the extended service plans onto you.

Also try asking in /r/askcarsales

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white033 t1_j29vet6 wrote

Say no and no and no and eventually the extended warranty will only be$1000 and almost worth it but still say no as almost 99..9% of the time shit will go wrong just after the extended warranty is up....and then you'll be pissed off like I was!!!

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FlexasState t1_j29xac8 wrote

Even then I’ve been reading that dealers finesse their way out of covering alot of things while the warranty is still good

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white033 t1_j29xpmc wrote

I believe it...my timing chain went 50 miles over the extended warranty and I new something was off before that point but waited until I could barely make it to the dealer! Live and learn...never going back to that dealer again as the price to fix was over 2X what my go to auto repair guy would have charged!

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AgntCooper t1_j2agsra wrote

So it’s the dealership’s fault that you knew your car had a problem and decided to delay investigating or repairing it until you were both AFTER the warranty had expired and you “could barely make it to the dealer”?

I’m not defending dealerships here, but that’s a you problem, not a dealership problem. Sorry you had to pay the stupid tax though.

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white033 t1_j2ahy9r wrote

I agree, definately a me thing, but in general these extended warrantees are unnecessary. I hate bringing my car in for repairs because I always feel I will get the shaft. Now I actually have a repair shop I can trust and this issue has been solved!!! Mainly due to word of mouth. The fault here was really with 2014-2016 Honda CRVs as this timing chain issue is almost guaranteed. Should have been a recall issue if you ask me???

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Due-Ad-7308 t1_j29rjg7 wrote

Don't ask them. Ask /r/whatcarshouldibuy . Same expertise only from the consumer side.

Half the folks over at /r/askcarsales can't turn off the slimy mode.

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BurningHuman t1_j2aq3p1 wrote

There is a reason why finance managers are the highest paid employees at a dealership. They make tons of money pushing all that stuff., it’s typically a $150k - 300k a year job for that reason.

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Due-Ad-7308 t1_j29qjnf wrote

Sadly the dealership mafia has gotten laws passed that you need to buy through slimy salesmen and dealerships unless it's a new American company (so if you're interested in Tesla you can buy one from their store and walk out, otherwise you'll be talking to the sleezebags).

No real "best way" when it comes to new cars besides being a smart consumer. Know what MSRP is, know what acceptable dealer fees are (ideally none, just buy the thing!). Shop around and get OTD prices and LEAVE THE LOT without buying to compare on your own time. This is easier with new cars as you have MSRP on your side (beware they'll spook you with "oh but you'll neverrr find a car like this in 2023's wacky markets!")

So: "yes" dealerships suck and are a weird remnant of the 1960's that stuck around due to cartels. But "no" you don't necessarily need to get screwed by them.

My advice would be to watch the 1999 comedy "suckers". Aside from being a great flick, you'll come out with a basic idea of the most blatant ripoffs to dodge.

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phunkystuff t1_j29segm wrote

Ah dang This makes sense. Thanks for the response!

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dig030 t1_j2al9kq wrote

A lot of dealerships aren't so bad anymore, or have a few remaining "bad" salesmen for walk-ins. Once you know what car you want, negotiate price via e-mail. Just e-mail a bunch of dealers for their best price, pick the best / most responsive one. Make sure you get the out the door price.

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pensiveChatter t1_j2a71tb wrote

Is this the Imported Vehicle Safety Compliance Act? I had someone tell me they bought a BMW and was flown out to Germany to pick up the car in order to get some kind of minor discount. This law seems to prevent that.

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PHX_Skunk_Ape t1_j29xoz3 wrote

I hate shopping and haggling for cars. I used Costco Auto last time and the process was pretty easy.

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CYPJuicy9 t1_j2coyew wrote

What is the process like? You don't have to haggle for prices? I'm trying to get a hybrid RAV4 but they're selling like hotcakes so I'm wondering if Costco Auto would benefit me in anyway.

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th3sh3ph3rd t1_j29qrr7 wrote

Best way to purchase a new vehicle is to purchase the new vehicle from an authorized dealership that has great reviews. Do not pay over MSRP, and I recommend not buying any of the add on dealership packages. Ensure that you look over the new vehicle before signing papers.

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yamaha2000us t1_j2a7x2d wrote

Find out what the car is selling for before going into the dealer.

Go to your bank and find out what they can do for a car loan. They love to give loans to customers with good credit.

Do not discuss down payment until you find out the final price of the car.

Do not discuss down payment until you hear the financing plan and compare it to the bank offer.

Be willing to say no.

When you choose to buy the car, adjust the financed amount by your down payment.

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HanzDiamond t1_j29u4lf wrote

Some folks enjoy haggling, my dad included. Me, not so much, but my experience getting preapproved (through autonavigator, in my case) was easily the best. Enter info, find desired car, get approval, print and bring to the dealer. They still made me meet with The Finance Manager, but he just did paperwork while I read my new manual. It's probably even better with a private seller. Good luck!

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Due-Ad-7308 t1_j29unmk wrote

Pay OP's Dad (AKA a savvy haggler friend or family member) $50 and some lunch to spend the afternoon with you shopping.

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Interesting-Dish8894 t1_j29ur0x wrote

If you’re buying new then research what you want.
Search for dealers with that product that are not doing the dick move of added dealer profit or like some of my local dealers, adding a bullshit $6k package to a 35k rav 4 hybrids, of nitrogen in the tires, paint sealant and fabric protector. Hopefully they have a unit you can test drive also

There are dealers only selling for msrp

Then you are most likely going to have to negotiate how much of a refundable deposit you will need to put down and wait six months or so for delivery

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hopingtothrive t1_j29vxp5 wrote

How much money have you saved for the car purchase?

If you buy a used car take it to a mechanic for a pre-purchase once-over. Even if you are buying from a dealer. Make sure you compare what you are buying to other cars of the same year, model, mileage. Test drive the cars you are interested in. This includes driving slow, fast, on the freeway, making turns, going in reverse. If you have to take along a salesperson have then be quiet so you can listen to the car. Don't let them blather about how wonderful the car is. Notice whether the car pulls to the left or right (with hands barely on the steering wheel). Brake hard. accelerate hard.

Do not buy extras. That's where dealers make their money. No extra warranty, no extra coatings, no rust proofing. You will be pressured and have to say no about 50 times. If they get too annoying start to leave. They hate losing a sale.

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might_be_lies t1_j29yeav wrote

I narrow down which cars I am interested and go test drive them all. Once you know what you want, do the build and quote in their website so that you know which options you must have and what packages they come in.

Example, I only buy manual transmissions. This makes some cars unavailable and others way more expensive because you have to buy a "sport" package.

Now you know msrp of the exact car that you want. Some dealerships will let you order it for msrp if you can wait. This is a great way to go because you get everything exactly how you want it.

Another option is to try going through Costco or consumer reports. They will give you a quote that is usually a good price, then connect you to a dealer who will honor it. I am not sure how this is working lately with the insane car market.

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PeeStoredInBallz t1_j29yz35 wrote

just find the car you like online and buy it for that + faxes and state fees, decline all other options, its incredibly easy in modern times.

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Shvlmyway t1_j29vtb7 wrote

Did all of my haggling through email. Knew exactly the type of car I wanted and that I wanted to pay all up front and no financing.

Emailed a few nearby dealerships, they all asked me to come in and I refused. Asked them for the price for the car I wanted. I would send the offer to other dealerships and ask if they can beat the price. Did this a few times until dealerships would not go any lower. Arranged to pick up the car and got it with no problem.

This was about five years ago though and I know the market is different now.

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crazywidget t1_j29yjt0 wrote

Most dealers hate this but honestly, go figure out which vehicles you like / might want, and ask for quotes via internet / email. You’ll get a ton of spam but it’s time efficient for you. The dealers hate it because they know getting you INTO the dealership is the most effective way of closing the sale, but each dealership has a salesperson or two that is more goes for quantity and will deal over email.

Make them negotiate against each other this way. You’ll get the best offer within a few days and you’re good to go.

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Nvr_Surrender t1_j29z5k0 wrote

Get The Informed Buyer on Amazon for $3. It's written by a guy who spent decades in car sales. I've used the techniques in the book to save thousands of the purchase of 4 new and used cars.

He also has a podcast called Deal Talk where he covers the steps as well as other tips and tricks.

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New-Performance7509 t1_j29zy2p wrote

I've bought used from CarMax for the last several we've cycled through. Had a good experience every time. Yeah, their price isn't always the lowest, but they've been well maintained, clean vehicles with no issues.

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tjeepdrv2 t1_j2a99b7 wrote

Find out the most hassle free way to get it. With Ford, if you can get X-Plan, you bypass all of the dealership games and markups and get it for just over the invoice price. My dad got his F-150 during peak pandemic pricing for around $12,000 below MSRP because of X-Plan pricing.

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LeisureSuitLaurie t1_j2adqiw wrote

  1. Pick the car you want.
  2. Contact dealer 1 and ask for best price out the door
  3. Contact dealer 2 and say “I want this car. Dealer 1 quoted me $X out the door. Can you beat it?”
  4. Contact dealers 3/4/5 and repeat. Go back to Dealer 1 and repeat.
  5. Arrange financing from bank/credit union, and buy from whoever gave you the best price.

Contacts can be done entirely by email.

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DoubleHexDrive t1_j2agz7n wrote

My new policy is to pick the car I want, compete dealers off each other, and insist on picking up the car straight off the truck. No dealer tint, coatings, VIN numbers, don’t even put the front license plate bracket on car.

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phunkystuff t1_j2aku3u wrote

Wow Is this really what dealers go through to upcharge?? Just toss on unnecessary shit after they receive it??

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DoubleHexDrive t1_j2bbvqo wrote

Oh yeah… well, tint is basically a requirement in Texas, but for what you’re charged, it’s pretty basic tint. I’d much rather take it to a shop and have nicer tint installed. A lot of the rest of it is worthless.

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Humble_Signature_993 t1_j2axayw wrote

  1. Do your research on the fair market value for the specific vehicle and condition you want.

  2. Do research on how much your insurance premium would cost for the car.

  3. Save the money to purchase the car in full. No loan unless 0% interest (unlikely to find this). Don’t purchase for any price over the FMV.

  4. Don’t purchase vehicle unless you know your budget can afford the monthly or semi-annual premium.

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phunkystuff t1_j2b9n6g wrote

Ah interesting, why not take a loan? (I was always under the impression loans were always more favorable since return on investment would be more than the loan amount)

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riverrabbit1116 t1_j2bzg95 wrote

Have your credit union financing ready. When you have a final price, pull that out and ask them if they can write a better loan.

Decide now what vehicle you want, check credit union & Costco buying services. When you know what you want, with what features, go shopping on SuperBowl Sunday, just before kickoff. Once the game starts, most sales types will want close the deal and go back to the break room. Source: got a new truck during World Series with that city's team competing.

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squisher417 t1_j29yjfd wrote

One thing I always do when buying a car: once you've found the one and decided you're going to buy it, tell the salesman, “if you fill it up with gas, I'll get it.“ Saved yourself $50 and they have never turned that down.

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BurningHuman t1_j2aptig wrote

It’s standard policy to deliver a vehicle with a full tank, it’s usually one of the questions on the manufacturer’s survey.

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squisher417 t1_j2ar0tg wrote

Not on used cars. I've never bought a new one off the lot.

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BurningHuman t1_j2awpx1 wrote

True, standard policy at all new/used dealerships. Maybe not policy on exclusivity used car lots.

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