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SnapCrackleMom t1_j9zohav wrote

>But whether it’s a $5 Italian from down the block or one served in a dimly lit private dining room at one of our city’s finest restaurants, 

Which of our city's finest restaurants serve hoagies in private dining rooms?

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dissolutewastrel OP t1_j9zpmn6 wrote

They're implying Beddia's

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SnapCrackleMom t1_j9zqzkj wrote

Thank you!

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napsdufroid t1_j9zz88e wrote

If you want their hoagies, bring money

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SnapCrackleMom t1_ja06p4r wrote

Oh wow, I just looked it up. I think I'll stick with hoagies that don't require reservations.

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napsdufroid t1_ja0fjx6 wrote

Don't forget it's $450 for 6 people to eat hoagies and pizza. And people fall for this scam

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yesmrbevilaqua t1_ja0nj3i wrote

It’s absolutely worth it, I went two weeks ago the sandwiches are so good time slows down, and it’s $75 a person + drinks and tip for a nice dinner that’s really not that expensive

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napsdufroid t1_ja0qzrt wrote

> that’s really not that expensive

It is for hoagies and pizza. But you do you and enjoy

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yesmrbevilaqua t1_ja0ybz0 wrote

You pay for quality, That’s what money is for

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napsdufroid t1_ja0z14g wrote

More like yu pay for what you believe or are told is quality. I did the Beddia hoagie thing. Total rip-off IMO. There are at least a dozen places in the city with far better hoagies. Money's to spend, not waste. I'd rather spend mine on a meal with some creativity and uniquity rather than overpriced cold cuts on a roll.

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monkeymaxx t1_ja1hk3j wrote

Think it’s a scam all you want, it’s such an amazing and delicious experience. You have to be rolled out of the hoagie room

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napsdufroid t1_ja1tcr1 wrote

Hey, you do you. I felt it was decent, but not even close to the best I've ever had and absolutely not worth what they charge I'd much rather spend the same amount eating more unique and prepared food.

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HistoricalSubject t1_j9zte2j wrote

when i saw that line, i was more so thinking-- whose got italian hoagies down the block for $5? cheapest hoagie i can think of near me is $6, and its an 8" banh mi, modestly filled, a fine deal. cheapest italian hoagie i can think of near me might be ~$12ish? and its 12", obviously much more meat than the banh mi, about what you'd expect from your place down the block

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aquaamber t1_ja37mae wrote

The Heirloom Giant in NoLibs makes a solid, massive hoagie for $6.

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trostol t1_ja4kcy2 wrote

maybe that location has better roll..but i got one from the 8th and Market location..and indeed it was good sized and filled well..but the roll was not good lol

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aquaamber t1_ja5yts4 wrote

It's not the best hoagie I've had, but it is the cheapest.

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porkchameleon t1_ja04kay wrote

Where in fuck did he dream up a proper hoagie that costs $5 anywhere in the city? It costs over $5 to make one at home (unless one is in coprophilia).

Monde has some for around $7-8, and I think they are the cheapest for quality/quantity I've seen in awhile (Old Nelson's is legit as well, but they punch above $9 these days, IIRC).

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Allemaengel t1_j9znx6j wrote

Loved reading that!

I live up at the edge of the Poconos/Coal Region where the term 'hoagie' fades away and use of the term 'sub' (shudder) begins. I've had arguments valiantly defending the term 'hoagie', lol.

But where I live is right where Eagles territory comes to a tri-point with Giants and Steelers turfs too so I'm outnumbered there too.

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dissolutewastrel OP t1_j9zq0ho wrote

Where I grew up in N NJ, it was mostly a "sub", but the xeroxed school lunch menu told me Thursdays were for "Hero" sandwiches. Can you believe it?

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Allemaengel t1_j9zqogq wrote

I've heard the term Hero before but never knew what that actually was.

A lot of North Jersey guys over here in the Poconos, more than coming up from Philly so 'sub' tends to win out. I don't hear 'hero' though.

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dissolutewastrel OP t1_j9zs0b1 wrote

Wikipedia is genuinely fascinating on what to call this sandwich:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_sandwich

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Allemaengel t1_j9ztw3w wrote

I saw a U.S. linguistics map once with the term usage for a hoagie. The rest of the country represented big geographical patches for every other term.

However, hoagie was only used within approximately a 60-mile radius of CC. And it proves fairly accurate in my case here about 12 miles north of the Lehigh Tunnel. I go up to Wilkes-Barre/Scranton to eat sometimes and you won't see hoagie used there much.

The one for NFL allegiances created from FB data by county represented a somewhat similar extent. Where the hoagie goes, so go the Birds apparently.

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CockercombeTuff t1_ja0skgr wrote

>I go up to Wilkes-Barre/Scranton to eat sometimes

I was going to ask if you'd ever eaten at The Chicken Coop, but now I've discovered that it closed last year! Sadness.

I know it's just a mom-and-pop chicken and burgers joint, but in college my team (XC/TF) had a tradition of going every year on the last day of the holiday season interim (we were already back on campus by Jan 2nd or 3rd).

Part of the tradition was that every freshman (men's team) had to eat the pig burger*. One year we didn't do that and opted to see how many chicken wings we could eat as a team. We ate somewhere around 2200 chicken wings (55 people). The freshman guys had to go for the pig burger their sophomore year.

I wish I had gone one last time, bummer.

(* A "pig burger" is: 20oz of Fresh, Never Frozen, Ground Beef with American, Cooper, Swiss, Cheddar, Pepperjack and Provolone Cheeses, Lettuce, Tomato, Raw Onion and a Half-Pound of Bacon served on a half loaf of Italian Bread; Served with our Fresh Cut Fries!)

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Allemaengel t1_ja0t43p wrote

75 y.o. Cooper's Seafood House in Scranton where scenes from The Office were filmed is a unique place -good food.

Also multiple pizzerias in Old Forge make an awesome dish or sheet pizza. The town is historically Italian going way back to coal mining immigrant days.

Never got to eat at the Coop.

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CockercombeTuff t1_ja3l8li wrote

Thanks for the rec's, I'll have to check those out. I get up that way every so often to go to an XC meet at Lehigh or take Rt 80 out to Central PA.

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Allemaengel t1_ja3liir wrote

In high school I ran in XC meets at Lehigh and later went to school there as well. Cool place.

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MrKamikazi t1_ja0zm8o wrote

Many years ago they were called hoagies in Clearfield PA which is a lot more than 60 miles away.

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Allemaengel t1_ja107kq wrote

Wasn't expecting that but I guess the researchers were trying to establish relatively neat borders around majority usage I guess.

Or was there some industry or other connection to Philly which transplanted the term to that particular area? I went to college in Central PA and it wasn't a thing in that county (not Clearfield).

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MrKamikazi t1_ja112x2 wrote

A lot of Italians but I didn't know of any direct ties to Philly while I was living there. It was also specific. A hoagie was an Italian one. Any other sandwich on a long roll was a sub.

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Allemaengel t1_ja11ezu wrote

Interesting.

Never been to Clearfield. Closest was McKean, Cameron and Centre counties. I liked the area - definitely different from the Poconos.

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lazydaisytoo t1_ja0gyra wrote

I grew up in north central PA and hoagie/sub was interchangeable. Matter of fact, one of the guys in my class was nicknamed Hoagie. I ended up moving to Norristown, and learned about the Zep. No subs down here, and the bread is definitely better.

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Allemaengel t1_ja0pot0 wrote

The Tioga-Potter line area and parts of McKean County are some of my favorite places in the state.

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TooManyDraculas t1_ja1q3ui wrote

I feel like "hero" in the NY metro mostly refers to the roll.

I grew up there. And while it's sometimes Italian Hero, American Hero. It's mostly give me a cutlet on a Hero and give me an Italian Sangwidge.

You'll honestly find "sandwich" used more often when not referring to the bread.

There's also a whole theoretical difference. To the point where I think Hoagie represents a distinct thing.

The New York area Sangwidge is all about meat. Most meat, most type of meat. Here is a loaf of meat that takes 3 people to eat. On a long roll.

And that's great when it's good.

But hoagie conveys something more. Like an actual human portion, a good amount of veggies. The hoagie spice. Even if it's just salt, pepper and oregano.

There's a whole hoagie gestalt, and specific hoagie flavor. A hoagie is a balanced whole, a hero is an imbalanced guilty pleasure. Hell idiots can make hoagie dip and hoagie salads. There are Primo hoagie chips and they taste like a hoagie.

They don't taste like a Sangwidge.

You're not making a sandwich pizza elsewhere. Or a hero, sub or whatever the fuck flavored anything.

Also hoagie is more fun to say.

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cheese4theppl t1_ja0dwff wrote

Hero is a NY thing. I always call it meatball parm hero or chicken parm hero by default, anything cold I call hoagie. That’s what happens when you grow up in central jersey I guess.

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dissolutewastrel OP t1_ja0rqyz wrote

I have the misfortune of knowing bigots and perverts who insist there's no such thing as central Jersey. (NJ = North & South, no central...just as there's no E. Jersey or West. Like I said they're addle-brained.)

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TooManyDraculas t1_ja1ow56 wrote

Central Jersey is a thing that only exists for people from North Jersey who don't want to be associated with North Jersey.

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Allemaengel t1_ja0rxfj wrote

My gf grew up in South Jersey, I was born in NW Jersey, and one of my best friends in college grew up in Cranbury, Middlesex County and I teased her about the existence of Central Jersey, lol.

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cheese4theppl t1_ja1pojm wrote

I grew up in the town literally next to Cranbury

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Allemaengel t1_ja1pz0p wrote

Maybe West Windsor?

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cheese4theppl t1_ja431y0 wrote

Basically! Plainsboro but they share a school district.

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Allemaengel t1_ja43zdc wrote

Nice area there though it's been about 20 years or so since I've been through there.

I remember there were still a lot of fields on that road between Cranbury and Plainsboro back then.

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felis_scipio t1_ja1lym8 wrote

NYC thing, growing up upstate we’d call everything a sub.

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a-german-muffin t1_ja0vfu7 wrote

Hunterdon County, NJ is the triple point of sandwich naming — hoagies in the towns close to the Delaware, a mix of hoagie/hero/sub in Flemington and its surrounds (there was literally a sandwich joint there called the All American Hero up until about 2000 or so), and just subs by the time you hit Route 22.

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Allemaengel t1_ja429fu wrote

Lol, then literally the hospital I was born in sits basically right at that tri-point in Hunterdon, lol.

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TumblingDice82 t1_ja3nlsu wrote

Interesting. I grew up in the heat of the Coal Region and "hoagie" was definitely the default term used throughout my city. I suspect the linguistic split in that region is probably dictated by the historical percentage of Italian-Americans in the particular city/town, with the more densely populated cities falling on the hoagie side, and the more rural areas splintering off toward the "sub" side. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if the usage of "hoagie" has declined in recent years given the large number of New York City-area and Hispanic transplants that have arrived in the area in the past 20 years.

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Allemaengel t1_ja3o3h6 wrote

Sounds like Hazleton, lol.

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TumblingDice82 t1_ja3oatm wrote

Hahaha 🎯

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Allemaengel t1_ja3ovgn wrote

Figured as much, lol.

My backyard. I grew up south of Tamaqua with family from Mahanoy City and now I live near Jim Thorpe.

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Wu-Tang_Killa_Bees t1_ja2kwvs wrote

I recently learned that my MIL - who moved from Philly to south Jersey in the 70's - and her whole family called them subs. I was surprised to hear this

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gubmintbacon t1_ja0l8zm wrote

I give Philly Mag my fair share of shit but this is a good spread. The bread piece in particular was a nice bit of diplomacy. They could have just written a love letter to Amoroso and Sarcone’s and mailed it in.

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Allemaengel t1_ja0s0fu wrote

Your response had me laughing but so true, lol.

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gubmintbacon t1_ja18367 wrote

Thank you! I feel like the bread in particular is sort of double-taxed when it comes to our opinions.

You can patronize a bakery just for the bread and also be connected to it through the hoagie. I adore Sarcone’s for Sunday red sauce dinners but it’s a little different for a hoagie, for me—I love an Andy Reid from Cosmi, don’t get me wrong. But there are a LOT of bread options for hoagies. It’s not as cut and dry as like a New York or Montreal style bagel.

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datruesurfer t1_ja4p3oi wrote

I think personal preference has a lot to do with what you grew up eating as well. Grocery store out in montco where my parents did most of the food shopping would get fresh baked amoroso rolls delivered almost every day so we always had some in the house. Got to visit Donkey's in Camden the other day and absolutely loved their cheesesteak on an Amoroso Kaiser roll.

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gubmintbacon t1_ja4rmkz wrote

I would love to try a Kaiser hoagie roll hybrid situation. That’s too much good to be just a little round roll.

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Desperate-Stop-42 t1_ja2scge wrote

You can get ok Hoagie’s from Fresh Grocer for $6.

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TumblingDice82 t1_ja3m6s8 wrote

The most difficult part of moving back to Philly as a relatively recent convert to pescetarianism is the never-ceasing temptation of the hoagie (and all of the other classic Philadelphia meat-based sandwiches). I've had Luhv's vegan hoagie and it's a really solid sandwich, but it's pricey and requires a special trip to RTM. There's something particularly alluring about knowing that you can walk into almost any corner deli in the city and get a delicious high-quality hoagie (or cheesesteak for that matter). sigh

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la_vidabruja t1_ja3sx9w wrote

You can get a cheese hoagie???

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TumblingDice82 t1_ja552pl wrote

Hmmm. Never thought about that as an option, but that might very well scratch my itch. It's really the combo of the roll, cheese, veggies & spices that makes up 75% of the "hoagie" flavor.

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wshowzen t1_ja5nfzh wrote

my kosher/pesce friends live and die by the tuna hoagie

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porkchameleon t1_ja04qua wrote

"Hoagie" as in "hoagie mouth".

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