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[deleted] t1_j9tllzx wrote

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harbison215 t1_j9tng60 wrote

Faulty logic that undermines every law ever made. Murders don’t follow the murder laws, rapist don’t follow the rape laws, so I guess those laws are useless as well?

And the fact is, the largest worldwide studies conclude that some very simple, nationwide changes to gun laws have reduced gun violence in other countries by significant amounts.

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2016/2/29/11120184/2016-gun-control-study-epidemiologic-reviews-deaths

https://www.science.org/content/article/three-types-laws-could-reduce-gun-deaths-more-10

None of the proposed laws would restrict would be gun owners from purchasing guns. Just like having to register your car and get a license doesn’t actually restrict people from owning and driving cars. What it does do is link people to their weapons and make them more responsible for what happens to their guns. Responsible gun owners don’t make straw purchases and they don’t “lose” their guns or have their house broken into and their guns “stolen.”

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[deleted] t1_j9tq76n wrote

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harbison215 t1_j9trjor wrote

Then we are in agreement that private gun transfers need more regulation. It’s not really that hard to find a consensus when you’re obviously using common sense. Nobody is saying “take everyone’s gun,” “there should be no guns.” At least I’m not. My point was and is that we are ridiculous in the way we recklessly treat the distribution and transfer of our guns. Even worse is that the laws are different state to state. Illinois has tough gun laws? New Jersey too? No problem I can just take a 15 min ride to Indiana or Pennsylvania, problem solved. It’s just a dumb way to do things.

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[deleted] t1_j9txd0f wrote

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harbison215 t1_j9ty0pm wrote

I don’t consider gun owners to be enemies. I honestly don’t own guns, never felt the need to have one and wasn’t brought up around them. I’ve lived 40 years without ever having or feeling like I need a gun.

With that in mind, I believe it’s on responsible gun owners to want for our national situation with guns to be solved. It’s not a great position for normal people to be in where they have to basically defend what feels like a free for all for violent criminals. I don’t understand the logic of the rationale of a mindful gun owner that sees how we do things and the resulting culture of violence and crime and shrugs their shoulders like “na we shouldn’t change anything.” If guns were my thing and a part of my daily life, I think I’d be even more vocal about having more common sense. Instead of getting defensive, the true rightful gun people should get offensive and proactive, not drag their feet. That’s just my opinion.

Edit: I think responsible gun owners arguing against any new reform is the best case for banning all guns. If even the most responsible gun owners lack a rational thought process when it comes to these weapons, then maybe the cause is lost and the only solution should be no more guns. Like I said, I think it would behoove common sense, responsible gun owners to have a more pragmatic view on gun laws and possible reform, rather than just kicking and a screaming the moment it’s brought up.

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