an historic coward

Guy sucked ass. Waste of a statue spot at city hall

While he was a terrible battlefield commander, he was an extremely talented organizer and logistician. Basically built the foundations of the Union army that won the war from nothing.

Finally losing his patience, Lincoln was famously quoted as saying, "If General McClellan does not want to use the army, I would like to borrow it for a time."

I don't know, now that prices are down maybe we could set up a vendor nearby and let people throw eggs at it?

Do you somehow not pronounce the “h?”

I do pronounce, though perhaps not as strongly as some others. To my ear/pronunciation, 'historic' falls in the fuzzy border between the sets of H-words that obviously require an 'a' or an 'an'. I think 'an historic' sounds better but if you think 'a historic' is preferable then go ahead and use it, I won't complain.

What a pussy. They still teach about him in Military History classes and what NOT to be as an Army Officer or even NCO.

Grant was the shit.

One of history's true assholes

Ironic we don't have one of Meade in the city.

Even better was what Lincoln said when McClellan wrote him complaining about tired horses: "Will you pardon me for asking what the horses of your army have done since the battle of Antietem that fatigue anything?"

Make a Jalen statue already

Meade is buried up on Ridge Avenue.

Meade was not a terrible commander. He was just such a dour man that when Grant was promoted above him, few thought of it as a bad thing.

If he had done his fucking job maybe we wouldn't have as many confederate flags still flying around.

I'm not really that angry, but Ulysses S Grant is the man and mclellan sucked

When oh when will we get our Kelce in Mummer's regalia statue?

there's a statue of Meade on top of one of the big pillars at the victory arch up by the please touch museum

His battlefield performance (or lack thereof) is almost forgivable because Robert E Lee was one of history's greatest opponents. But then to go into the election with the platform of negotiating a peace, effectively surrendering at the political level, is just gross negligence. A year after that election, Lincoln (and Sherman and Grant) had overwhelmingly won the war and ended slavery in the South. The North was always miles ahead on every metric when it came to whether the war was easily winnable; McClellan was either incompetent or maybe just way over-promoted but he certainly is *far* down the list of historical locals who should get a statue

Nah Lee was a shitty strategist and the only reason anyone thinks different is because Lost Cause propaganda worked.

In the South during the same period, he was known as "Granny Lee".

There's a huge statue of him in Fairmount Park near Centennial Hall.

We do in the park, up near cedar ridge if memory serves correct

Did that just seem to happen overnight? When I went shopping this week they were way lower than previous weeks

sure seemed that way. It was probably one of those things where a real supply shock (avian flu in some parts of the country) lead to panic buying and then just as quickly a drop off in sales so supply and prices could go back to normal.

I wouldn't necessarily call Lee a shitty strategist (from a logistics standpoint, he was destined to lose so he did play a bad hand reasonably well for a while), but it's true his reputation is almost entirely built on McClellan being chicken shit. He should be remembered for being a loser and a morally repugnant human being, both in his personal life and for supporting the worst case known to mankind.

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