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markskull OP t1_j8o8d9b wrote

Reply to comment by Glystopher in Do you want a Roosevelt Blvd Subway? Tell the Delaware Valley Regional Planning Commission ASAP! by markskull

I think more people, ideally, would use the KoP extension, but SEPTA's estimates have it low. Keep in mind people traveling 76 would both need to get to a station and then from their station of choice to wherever they need to go.

If KoP Station was right at the mall that would be amazing, but that isn't the case thanks to all the NIMBY's who opposed the project and forced SEPTA to change the route.

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hatramroany t1_j8of2b6 wrote

>If KoP Station was right at the mall that would be amazing

One of the proposed stations (Allendale) will be literally attached to the mall?

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adwvn t1_j8otjuf wrote

I'm might be confused. The idea is that a mall is going to attract high demand for Philadelphians to travel to KOP on the railroad? That's absurd. Malls are going extinct. I would never leave Philadelphia to go to a suburb for the sake of a shopping mall.

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danstecz t1_j8pwofn wrote

As much as I hate KOP it is not going extinct. The mall has tons of luxury stores that are not found elsewhere in the area, including Center City. It is a huge tourist draw. It serves all the households on the Main Line with money up the wazoo.

Malls such as Plymouth Meeting are failing but KOP will be fine.

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adwvn t1_j8q7qtu wrote

That's interesting. I'm still very skeptical though, because the only time I hear about people that live in Philly travelling to KOP to do shopping, is when I read an article or reddit thread on the topic of the new rail line. I don't know any friend or coworker that does their shopping by travelling to suburbs. Everyone orders online. I've lived in Philadelphia for 7 years. I've never been to KOP to my knowledge, and doubt I'd ever want to go there ever in my lifetime.

And I've never heard anyone describe KOP as a tourist draw before. Tourists from where? I'm really curious because most people have never heard of KOP unless you're from this region.

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AbsentEmpire t1_j8tbdk9 wrote

KOP mall just expanded it's very popular and will continue to be well into the future.

The malls that are dying tend to be ones with a middle to lower economic appeal. High end is doing better than ever.

Additionally the build out of the KOP /202 region over the last decade has been nothing less than amazing. The DVRPC projects that area to grow faster than the city both in residential and jobs over the coming decades.

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Glystopher t1_j8oaa9w wrote

Last mile from to station is solved by these new and awesome personal battery powered gadgets that are also fun to ride! E skate, unicycle, scoot, bike, what have you. It’s more practical for the smaller e-transport devices especially, carry on train , ride a mile after you get off train.

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markskull OP t1_j8odt5f wrote

While I largely agree, we both know that isn't a workable solution for a number of folks. To further complicate matters, the entire area is a car-focused death trap for pedestrians or anyone not in a car.

While there are some nearby offices, there are a lot that are a few miles away from the mall and that creates its own problem.

So it could be a great catalyst long-term, but that would really require Montgomery County to really change their zoning laws and focus on more pedestrian-focused solutions.

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Glystopher t1_j8ojtoz wrote

I’m gonna continue to risk injury and death by not driving a car around other cars and instead ride one of the listed things, or a motorcycle. Someone’s got to get out there and go against the grain of always using cars…

I’ve already got titanium in both legs from being hit on the sidewalk inside the city, rolling the dice on more medical repairs, fuck it.

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