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Wuz314159 t1_jdatkcv wrote

$5million for fare evasion enforcement to recover $5,000 in lost fares?

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RiderRob t1_jdauk96 wrote

What is the value of increasing ridership by reducing crime on Septa? Helluva lot more than $5,000.

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phljoe2 t1_jdc9j95 wrote

Exactly. Does anyone really think the criminals and troublemakers pay fares? Do you think the drug addicts load up their Septa Key Card wallets?

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Scumandvillany t1_jdb2qim wrote

When they buy more the cost will go down per station. Fare evasion is a serious issue and most of the people jumping are causing problems on the trains. They need to be excluded and the trains should be for riders only. Septa is not and should not be a homeless shelter

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Wuz314159 t1_jdb6zgm wrote

Just make the trains free. Simple.

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Scumandvillany t1_jdb7ryb wrote

I guess you're gonna kick in the 600 million in missed revenue every year? The "free transit" take is Pollyanna at best, and irresponsible beyond belief. Not to mention that the ONLY people left on the El will be homeless addicts. It's absurd.

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[deleted] t1_jdc9xsg wrote

I get that it doesn’t work but I really like the idea of spending other people’s money (evil laugh)

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Diditforthevine69 t1_jdbewk5 wrote

They spend more setting up, running, updating (all out of date now), stopping, paying workers to sit at stops all to make people pay. 40% of septa income is via city not fare. Spend the money on septa cops or community safety officers.

Addicts and homeless are people too. Safety and payment are not the same. Free and safe can exist.

Edit: source https://www.commonwealthfoundation.org/2016/11/07/who-pays-for-septa/ and not most but 40% of revenue is from state

https://whyy.org/articles/ellison-septa-fare-free-opinion/amp/

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AbsentEmpire t1_jdcyrsc wrote

That's probably the worst thing that SEPTA could do, and would all but guarantee it gets turned into the mobile drug addict homeless shelter, driving ridership to near zero and seeing the abandonment of the system by the counties and state.

Why do hate public transportation so much?

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wallythegoose t1_jdb47tw wrote

The fare system helps to prevent ne'er do wells from accessing the trains, a la regional rail and PATCO.

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thespiff t1_jdca167 wrote

Where are you getting these numbers?

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mr__moose t1_jdeq6ic wrote

No way are lost fares that low, I only ride the El 4x a week and I see people jumping the turnstile every single time I ride.

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