Submitted by Agitated_Skin1181 t3_11mfjfw in philadelphia
It's crazy how many bands you would expect to see at FM Pavilion are playing the Mann, anyone know why everyone seems to be blackballing FM Pavilion?
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i-bleed-red t1_jbhjh7t wrote
The FM schedule looks busy though not full. I’m guessing some tours will choose an alternative over Live Nation venues when they can.
Agitated_Skin1181 OP t1_jbhkj2q wrote
I was thinking that might be it.
RagBalls t1_jbhkr7e wrote
The Mann is also live nation these days
TheBigBigStorm t1_jbhl72k wrote
Is that what we're calling the Tweeter Center now?
Agitated_Skin1181 OP t1_jbhlr4q wrote
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i-bleed-red t1_jbhnorl wrote
They use ticket master but i really don’t think they are owned by LN as they’re a non-profit that solicits donations and provides receipts for tax purposes.
IFSEsq t1_jbhp9gg wrote
Is FM Pavillion what we're calling Camden these days? Mann is way better anyway.
RagBalls t1_jbhppj8 wrote
I don’t think they are either but I think live nation does all the other stuff around it like promotion and whatnot. When you get a mixed drink in the cocktail shaker it says live nation on it
Agitated_Skin1181 OP t1_jbhqpiz wrote
user_1445 t1_jbhr6se wrote
Blockbuster E-centre always and forever
uguysareherbs t1_jbhrev7 wrote
I’ve noticed something similar, felt like last summer the Mann had over a dozen shows I wanted to see where Camden had maybe 1 or 2 that I was interested in. Seems like the artists have a big preference for the Mann over Camden
Phish for example is choosing to do a 2 night run at the Mann this summer and did the same last summer, when they could’ve booked Camden and sold an extra 10k tickets per night. No idea what the reason could be tho
A_Wild_Nudibranch t1_jbhrlm4 wrote
I really like the Mann, I do. But the lines of sight on the lawn are awful if you're not in front of the cement walkway and the sound is incredibly muddy. The parking attendants this summer at Phish were fantastic, super organized and yelled at appropriate times/volume.
The nitrous tanks are ridiculously out of hand, and while they're also at Camden, it seemed much worse at the Mann. The food options are really limited, too.
Camden has a kind of shifty parking situation if you're not in the close lots, but the sound is WAY better on the lawn, as well as the line of sight. Watching the sun set over Philly during shows on the lawn is such a beautiful addition, and I was kind of miffed that the Mann was chosen again for Phish's summer tour stop in Philly.
That Tweezerfest last summer was fantastic, though.
Agitated_Skin1181 OP t1_jbhslah wrote
There are like 2 week gaps in the FM schedule as of now which for the fact that everyone and their mother are touring seems insane.
SaltPepperKetchup215 t1_jbhsp32 wrote
I for one, welcome it. Getting out of Camden after a concert is a nightmare. You either stay for encore and hang out for a couple hours or leave early or you’re extra fucked no matter what form of transportation you take.
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themightychris t1_jbi45na wrote
the ferry ain't bad
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chumpyis t1_jbinoik wrote
They rent the Mann from the city. It says live nation an all the staff uniforms.
chumpyis t1_jbinspe wrote
Crazy take. The mann is vastly superior for phish. The line of sight is better at Camden, but pretty much nothing else.
chumpyis t1_jbinxum wrote
*95. Saw Tom Petty there that summer. Everything else you said is 💯
FormerHoagie t1_jbirrpc wrote
The Mann, on a nice clear summer night, is a magical venue. I also love the Dell but there is rarely a great show. I saw Paul Simon on his Graceland tour and it was one of my favorite concerts ever.
heathers1 t1_jbisdsx wrote
Wasn’t the Mann formerly the Robin Hood Dell?
FormerHoagie t1_jbiskjr wrote
It’s a different venue but it does trace its origins to the Dell. The Dell is by the Strawberry Mansion Bridge and the Mann is off Parkside Ave.
sparky2212 t1_jbiupoh wrote
It's actually called The Suck Center now.
No_Introduction_7034 t1_jbizm48 wrote
The Mann is a way better venue imo
death_by_chocolate t1_jbj01bw wrote
Yes. Park at Penns Landing, ferry over and back.
SaltPepperKetchup215 t1_jbj0ej8 wrote
If you hurry there it’s not. If you’re not early it’s a long line. I did enjoy that most tho just bc it was something different
lawgirl3278 t1_jbj1vcg wrote
The Mann’s lawn is much cooler on hot summer nights because of the grass and trees. And there’s local food carts at the top of it. Camden’s lawn is like sitting on concrete. Give me a Mann show over Camden any day.
PhillyPanda t1_jbj2p2c wrote
I’d take getting out of Camden any day over the Mann but the Mann is a better venue
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Pineapple_Spenstar t1_jbj9m1z wrote
I can ride my bike to/from the Mann
PhillyPanda t1_jbjae5k wrote
I can take a ferry to/from Camden
The shuttle, when available, is great
skip_tracer t1_jbjglfy wrote
I don't doubt The Mann is better for all bands, Sharon Van Etten slayed last year, but I hope Phish never return. The way the park was left was absolutely shameful.
benifit t1_jbjgve0 wrote
I legitimately had no idea wtf the FM pavilion was.
nnp1989 t1_jbjnbus wrote
To be fair, getting out of the Mann after a concert is nearly as bad.
nnp1989 t1_jbjo3ve wrote
The trick for the Mann is to just hang out in the moat between the lawn and pav if you have lawn tickets. As long as you're okay with standing and can get there early enough, it's a great view. I did that for Phish N2 last year and it worked out pretty well. I was lucky enough to score actual seats in the main section for the Tweezerfest N1, which as you mentioned was absolutely face-melting.
I think the nitrous tanks are just a problem everywhere, but the lot scene tends to be so cramped at the Mann that they're all on top of each other and it makes it seem worse.
sjm320 t1_jbjodzx wrote
Same here! I just Googled it, and the main result was: Freedom Mortgage Pavilion (formerly BB&T Pavilion). The name of this place seems to change every other month.
nnp1989 t1_jbjoo0i wrote
Phish is not at all unique for fans leaving trash in the parking lots/surrounding area. Not excusing the littering, but it happens everywhere. Take a look at what it looks like after, say, a Kenny Chesney show.
As far as the balloons go, wooks gonna wook.
nnp1989 t1_jbjpx5p wrote
Love the Skyline Stage. It's so nice to be able to pay the same price to be able to either hang out on the grass in the back or get right up front on the rail if you want to.
CookedDenimRawPizza t1_jbjqgar wrote
Yeah as much as I appreciate the bus loop for the Mann, the transit is shitty compared to Camden. Sure Camden sucks, but there is always a huge crowd to and from the concerts to Patco.
CookedDenimRawPizza t1_jbjqpmz wrote
Yeah does the nitrous mafia run out of Point Breeze? I know they are based somewhere in Philly. Tanks are going to be huge regardless of venue in Philly.
Anyways, 3 for $20 no deals.
chetstedman30 t1_jbjxjed wrote
Because the mann is the best venue in the city
chetstedman30 t1_jbjxt1a wrote
Mann is so much better for Phish with a better lot and the whole not driving/ferrying situation. And the updated lawn speakers are much better IMO.
See you on lot fam
chetstedman30 t1_jbjxwrr wrote
Yeah I’m sure only phish fans litter at concerts. Roots picnic is probably absolutely pristine.
A_Wild_Nudibranch t1_jbk0uz3 wrote
I was able to get into the moat on N2 under the bridge! Sound was much better. The breeze during that Tela was also well timed. Definitely going to be in the moat this run, see you there!
A_Wild_Nudibranch t1_jbk1z4q wrote
Yeah it's Philly based. It was a trip going from Mann to MPP, and seeing ZERO tanks. MPP doesn't fuck around with the nitrous idiots, and it's so nice.
A_Wild_Nudibranch t1_jbk29og wrote
I'm definitely getting into the little moat on the lawn, for sure. See you there!
brk1 t1_jbkr4cz wrote
I dunno but the Mann is a great venue. Beats the other place hands down.
justanawkwardguy t1_jbkx1fy wrote
It could also be that the city contracted them to run the operations side of it
snicklefritz85 t1_jbl7cl7 wrote
The Philly Tweezesteak! Both shows were killer. But yea, the nitrous tanks and the mess that comes along with it are atrocious. Put the balloons in your pocket for christs sake!
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philly-spud t1_jblj27n wrote
Mann >>>>>>>
eleboil t1_jbm0ghx wrote
The Mann was the Robin Hood Dell West, I always knew the Dell East as just that.
_SundaeDriver t1_jbm41yi wrote
Than you. Your not the only one
_SundaeDriver t1_jbm5425 wrote
The Mann is much better venue. More intimate shed. Great history. Great parking lot with some shade. It’s in the woods. Free parking. Best view of the city. It’s in Philly. Fuck Camden, I hate that venue. Too big and the sound sucks. The lot sucks. You gotta pay to get back home
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