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psc1919 t1_itvu3v3 wrote

Why is a 17 year old “writing” legislation for two city council members? This makes no sense

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TJCW t1_itw3qx6 wrote

Because Cindy Bass doesn’t do her job

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cagonzalez321 t1_itx439j wrote

She was just the next in line for the job. Can’t wait for the machine to be broken.

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joeltheprocess76 OP t1_itv2omh wrote

The opinion piece basically puts the blame on Mayor Kenney which is not surprising but you “wrote the legislation “ for Bobby Henon and Cindy Bass which honestly are not great examples of role models in city government. Also, you’re 17. What’s that say about their leadership?

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aintjoan t1_itvkf0g wrote

I think it's great to have young folks involved in government at this level. And there is some legitimate criticism in this piece for sure. But it's awfully rose-colored toward city council, for sure. I suspect that if the author had spent his time working in city hall he might have some things to say about city council.

That having been said, good for him for getting involved.

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joeltheprocess76 OP t1_itvlz3h wrote

I’m totally in for young people getting involved and I’m very proud of him but your former boss had to resign for corruption. So look closer young man!

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TJCW t1_itvjamy wrote

Great point. I thought it was a great article but I overlooked Heron and Bass! Surprised he didn’t say more negative things about them specifically. Was this kid involved with the limiting daycare bill or trying to prevent the plexiglass in to go stores?!!

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taskermorrisrider222 t1_itvdfmr wrote

>Without enforcement, Council’s laws are just words on paper.

This is the main problem with Philadelphia. It's so simple. We're going downhill because nobody wants to enforce anything, and those who do want to enforce the rules are not supported.

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crispydukes t1_itwaa3n wrote

The PPD gets plenty of support

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AbsentEmpire t1_itxy58x wrote

There's a lot more than just the stuff that falls under the PPD. Like building code enforcement, everything involving the streets department, parks and rec are pretty disfunction as well.

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TheBSQ t1_itwht4u wrote

Some non-enforcement, like when it conflicts with state or federal law and creates legal liability, or when there’s legit resource constraints and enforcement needs prioritization, I am sympathetic to.

But it’s bullshit when it’s just a philosophical disagreement, like when people say it amounts to criminalizing poverty, or disproportionately affects some group negatively, or it only makes rehabilitation harder so it won’t be enforced.

That shit pisses me off. If that’s what you believe, then you gotta do the work to change the law.

The Pandora’s box that you open is that you can’t point to a bunch of laws and say, “Ignore these because I think they’re morally wrong” but then get mad when someone else ignores laws that you do want enforced.

It’s a very bad precedent once you open the door to the idea that enforcement is optional, arbitrary, and up to the discretion of whomever holds power.

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Bruce_G t1_itwl8gp wrote

Every single prosecutor in the U.S. -- at every level, and in every jurisdiction -- makes policy choices about which crimes to prioritize. Zero exceptions.

If you don't like the policy choices of the current DA, you gotta work to elect a different one.

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Ultimating_is_fun t1_itxfm6i wrote

I mean, broad enforcement just because the law exists is silly. There are some stupid fucking laws out there that shouldn't be enforced.

It's the why behind the lack of enforcement that bothers me. Don't enforce something important because offenders are disproportionately poor (i.e. black)? Nah, that's not good, usually there's victim(s) for every offense. When all you look at is the color of the skin of the offender you're ignoring the rights to not be victimized.

Even for something as simple as littering. If poor people are more likely to litter, that doesn't change the fact that the rest of us deserve to be able to live in a clean environment. The color of the person littering is completely irrelevant to the people in the neighborhood (again regardless of color), we just want it to stop. You can say the same for pretty much every nuisance in the city.

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cagonzalez321 t1_itx3zsp wrote

Wait…so there are 4000 open jobs in Philadelphia’s government? I’ve applied to several Philadelphia govt jobs over the years and have never even sniffed an interview. What am I doing something wrong? Or do I not know the right people? I’m confused.

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Indiana_Jawnz t1_itx50bd wrote

You don't know the right people

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cagonzalez321 t1_itx7mfb wrote

True. I was guessing since they had so many openings that didn’t matter. I guess they’d rather have a crony in the job than someone who can actually do the job.

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AbsentEmpire t1_itxykww wrote

If someone qualified to do the job actually got it, it would immediately highlight how incompetent the rest of them are.

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trashpandarevolution t1_itxbmfr wrote

That’s literally the entire point, from Chicago to Philly to New York and all the municipal decay

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SpaceOwl t1_itx86z9 wrote

I've heard similar on here from other people who've applied. Probably has more to do with incompetence than nepotism.

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Three220Characters t1_iu22dwp wrote

>so there are 4000 open jobs in Philadelphia’s government? I’ve applied to several Philadelphia govt jobs over the years and have never even sniffed an interview.

The bulk of that is in the major departments, police (not a secret Philly cop isn't an attractive job right now), fire, sanitation, corrections...if you were just applying for generic city office job that's a little different and well...you may encounter the traditional difficulties of getting a city job.

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conorb619 t1_itwirqm wrote

"When I was 18, I ran for mayor of my small town. And won. A little bit of anti-establishment voter rebellion, I guess. Here's the thing, though, about 18 year-olds. They're idiots. So I pretty much ran the place into the ground after two months and got impeached. The worst part was, my parents grounded me."

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Ultimating_is_fun t1_itxfxzk wrote

Right? How tf is the top comment not something akin to, bro you're 17 and don't know shit about shit?

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mrhedgefund t1_itvdkb8 wrote

What dilemma? The law is pretty clear. Funny how Curtis sees nothing wrong with ignoring state law, but has a problem with the courts ignoring "city council law".

>There are also instances when a law may go unenforced because of intergovernmental disputes about whether it was within Council’s authority to pass it in the first place. This is when matters get hairy. The entity tasked with implementing that legislation has to make a choice: Should they err on the side of legal caution, opting not to enforce that law? Or should they enforce the law, possibly provoking a lawsuit? Majority Leader Curtis Jones Jr., representing the 4th Council District, is now mired in this dilemma.

>In 2019, he passed a bill that sought to establish the Philadelphia Gun Violence Protection program, allowing courts to temporarily seize firearms from those who are a danger to themselves or the public. But Jones, joined by 10 other Council members, recently passed a resolution scolding the courts for not implementing the Philadelphia Gun Violence Protection program — likely because state law preempts Philadelphia from implementing its own gun regulations. Frustrated by the courts’ inaction, Jones blasted them during Council’s first in-person session, saying, “You will not just say ‘I don’t like City Council’s law, I’m going to ignore it.’”

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rovinchick t1_itv7nok wrote

I can't read due to paywall, but I worked for the city and saw the same of most of the white collar professionals I encountered on a daily basis. It was downright depressing, although the "quiet quitting" culture is making it cool again, I guess.

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jea25 t1_itvptgj wrote

I once had a job offer working for the city and I actually was interested in the role and liked the people interviewing me, but they made it clear how much the position would have been begging other people to do their jobs so I could get mine done. I passed.

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TheBSQ t1_itwlfnw wrote

Municipal govt is an absolutely maddening place to work if you like it when things get done.

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_jeremybearimy_ t1_itvxh6y wrote

Wtf is quiet quitting

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rovinchick t1_itvyxjo wrote

It's the philosophy of doing the bare minimum of your job (and sometimes not even meeting that.)

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_jeremybearimy_ t1_itvz9i7 wrote

Wait that’s called working. Why would I do extra they aren’t paying for? They want me to work for them, they pay me, that’s how capitalism works.

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South_Cockroach_156 t1_itz0ujy wrote

Sheryl Sandberg’s Lean In inspired a generation of young people, particularly women, to work extra hard for no additional pay.

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rovinchick t1_itvzemi wrote

Well, some have taken it a step further and really not performing at all, since the unemployment rate is low and you are less likely to get fired.

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_jeremybearimy_ t1_itvzqd8 wrote

If someone’s not doing their job they should be fired. That has nothing to do with solely doing the tasks you’re paid for. You’re saying bad workers are bad? Wow that’s a hot take lmao, and absolutely not a recent phenomenon

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Gabagoo44 t1_itwhsff wrote

Quite quitting is bullshit, show me how many people go to work and perform more duties than they have to? Everyone in this thread is quite quitting. This is just a buzz word spun by corporations and the media to make people feel bad for not going above and beyond for no reason.

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_jeremybearimy_ t1_itwn8sy wrote

Yup I learned the hard way early in my career to not go above and beyond because you have to make personal sacrifices to do so….and you are NOT rewarded for it. Well, I was rewarded: by being laid off and then the company founders refusing to provide me with a recommendation (they just never answered any of my requests). That worked out well for me!

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Legitimate_Onion_653 t1_itzsler wrote

I feel like part of growing up for me has been realizing that nothing is as legit/functional as it seems. We're just a bunch of folks trying to cobble together a society to help us meander through life.

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D-redditAvenger t1_itxewvx wrote

Wait until he finds out about the backlash and isolation when you go against the system.

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bunkercrap t1_itwhayz wrote

This post should be getting more attention. We need people who care about the city. If we spent as much energy we spend on our sports teams onto the city we’d be in a better spot

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Mcjibblies t1_itziv4b wrote

TBH, I would’ve been legit surprised if you said they were doing great things and functioning efficiently.

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Roborobob t1_itwnp4c wrote

Fuck these old guys. We have the power to do what needs to be done.

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zoicyte t1_itwtowj wrote

He’s right. But is this the mayors offices’ fault or police not enforcing their laws.

ACAB/silent strike

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