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AnyOldNameNotTaken t1_iu11js4 wrote

Reply to comment by thestar1818 in Deputy arrested for illegally selling guns used in Roxborough HS shooting by dc122186

Anyone who sells a firearm without doing an FFL transfer, which requires a background check, has committed a felony according to existing law and should be dealt with harshly.

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Trionappa t1_iu11xze wrote

This quite literally isn’t true. Why are you speaking so confidently on stuff you obviously have no idea about?

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McCooms t1_iu12wlu wrote

Handguns he is right, long rifles within PA to a PA resident when it’s a private transfer you don’t have to but it is recommended

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Scumandvillany t1_iu2301f wrote

🙄 handguns require a background check in PA, full stop. It's ten years if you don't, possibly fed time

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AnyOldNameNotTaken t1_iu133mm wrote

It certainly is true, you have just listened to too many bullshitters feeding you incorrect information.

You’ll notice there are familial exceptions and long guns are excluded, but all handguns, short barrel shotguns and SBRs are subject and handguns account for nearly all of the crime committed.

From Giffords Foundation- “In Pennsylvania, an unlicensed seller may only sell a handgun or short-barreled rifle or shotgun to an unlicensed purchaser at the place of business of a licensed importer, manufacturer, dealer or county sheriff’s office.1 The licensed importer, manufacturer, dealer or sheriff must comply with all of the dealer regulations set forth in the Pennsylvania Dealer Regulations section, including a background check on prospective purchaser.2 These requirements do not apply to transfers between spouses, parents and children, or grandparents and grandchildren.3 These requirements also do not generally apply to transfers of long guns.”

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tofucaketl t1_iu1r8hv wrote

Giffords is wrong. Per the actual definition: > Long-gun—The term includes any weapon, that is not a handgun, designed to or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosion, or the frame or receiver of the weapon.

So...any non-pistol. Shotguns are non-pistol. Look up the law yourself with "37 Pa. Code § 33.102" instead of relying on the website of a lobbying group.

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Scumandvillany t1_iu2361h wrote

👍 sure. But there were only 500 murders committed by rifle in 2021, across the country. Like 98% of firearm murders are with handguns

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tofucaketl t1_iu28xbg wrote

Okay. But that doesn't change anything. Giffords is still wrong.

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AnyOldNameNotTaken t1_iu29vn2 wrote

Shotguns with barrels under 18” are considered handguns in PA and are subject to the same regulation. I realize my original wording was misleading on that. I edited for clarity.

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Dryheavemorning t1_iu13mta wrote

>and hunting rifles are excluded

Long guns are far more than just "hunting rifles."

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AnyOldNameNotTaken t1_iu16bk2 wrote

Mostly hunting rifles. Yeah you can sell an AR with a barrel 16+ and overall length 26+ but the reality is those are rarely used in criminal activity. Handguns are the vast majority followed by SBRs as far as gun murders go. Thats why the law is formulated as such.

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Trionappa t1_iu19q1t wrote

So as I said. You are wrong anyone can sell a firearm, as long as it’s not a hand gun.

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AnyOldNameNotTaken t1_iu1atw5 wrote

Don’t break your arm patting yourself on the back for being only mostly wrong dude

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Trionappa t1_iu1b8x2 wrote

Lmao. Brother you are an idiot. But that’s okay!

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AnyOldNameNotTaken t1_iu1bewe wrote

Bud, you’re a dunce

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Trionappa t1_iu1bvqh wrote

You’re pretty upset because you were called out on being wrong. Some big boomer energy

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AnyOldNameNotTaken t1_iu1cfyt wrote

Not upset in the slightest, nor was I wrong if you read any of the info I responded with to add clarity, nor am I even close to a boomer. You need a nap or a snack or something.

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Dryheavemorning t1_iu3zkep wrote

Long gun private seller exemption in action:

>It was revealed late Thursday that the gunman purchased the rifle from a private seller, according to a news release from St. Louis Metropolitan Police Department.

>The suspect attempted to buy a firearm from a licensed dealer in St. Charles, Missouri, on October 8, but an FBI background check "successfully blocked this sale," according to police.

>"As a result, the suspect sought out and bought the rifle used in the school shooting from a private seller, who legally purchased the weapon from a federally licensed dealer in December 2020," the release read. "There is no existing law which would have prevented the private sale between the original purchaser and the suspect in this case."

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medici75 t1_iu22e9w wrote

only pistols require a background check through an FFL….this deputy was a scumbag through and through….he knows the structure for selling a pistol to anybody….he popped up on FBI radar because he was a one man crime wave with a badge…betcha he was doing the same with drugs…knew a cop who was always getting paid to babysit drug shipments…he would deliver kilos for a price…he got 75 yrs under rico…its been 18 years…only way he gets out is feet first

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AnyOldNameNotTaken t1_iu232la wrote

Pistols, shotguns and short barrel rifles (under 16” barrel)

Only long rifles are exempt.

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medici75 t1_iu23mc7 wrote

shotguns????!!!!!…didnt know shotguns were treated like pistols in pa

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sadson215 t1_iu3i4sq wrote

From an FFL's perspective pistols must be sold to an adult 21 and older.

Rifles shotguns all need to go through background checks when purchased through an FFL.

Short barrel rifles suppressors and machine guns all go through the NFA which requires a 200 dollar tax stamp and a 3 month to a year plus background check through the ATF.

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medici75 t1_iu51hb7 wrote

what if two family members or friends hunting buddies etc etc wanted to trade or sell a rifle or shotgun between them…they live next door to eachother…they have to go through an ffl to trade shotguns or rifles????

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sadson215 t1_iu5x1or wrote

I'm pretty sure there's an exemption for family. Not sure about friends. Use to be you just had to transfer handguns through a sheriff or FFL, but that was years ago. Not sure what may have changed.

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sadson215 t1_iu3hv0k wrote

No if you buy any firearm from an FFL you get a background check.

A short barrel rifle needs to go through the NFA

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