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AnyOldNameNotTaken t1_iu133mm wrote

Reply to comment by Trionappa in Deputy arrested for illegally selling guns used in Roxborough HS shooting by dc122186

It certainly is true, you have just listened to too many bullshitters feeding you incorrect information.

You’ll notice there are familial exceptions and long guns are excluded, but all handguns, short barrel shotguns and SBRs are subject and handguns account for nearly all of the crime committed.

From Giffords Foundation- “In Pennsylvania, an unlicensed seller may only sell a handgun or short-barreled rifle or shotgun to an unlicensed purchaser at the place of business of a licensed importer, manufacturer, dealer or county sheriff’s office.1 The licensed importer, manufacturer, dealer or sheriff must comply with all of the dealer regulations set forth in the Pennsylvania Dealer Regulations section, including a background check on prospective purchaser.2 These requirements do not apply to transfers between spouses, parents and children, or grandparents and grandchildren.3 These requirements also do not generally apply to transfers of long guns.”

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tofucaketl t1_iu1r8hv wrote

Giffords is wrong. Per the actual definition: > Long-gun—The term includes any weapon, that is not a handgun, designed to or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosion, or the frame or receiver of the weapon.

So...any non-pistol. Shotguns are non-pistol. Look up the law yourself with "37 Pa. Code § 33.102" instead of relying on the website of a lobbying group.

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Scumandvillany t1_iu2361h wrote

👍 sure. But there were only 500 murders committed by rifle in 2021, across the country. Like 98% of firearm murders are with handguns

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tofucaketl t1_iu28xbg wrote

Okay. But that doesn't change anything. Giffords is still wrong.

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AnyOldNameNotTaken t1_iu29vn2 wrote

Shotguns with barrels under 18” are considered handguns in PA and are subject to the same regulation. I realize my original wording was misleading on that. I edited for clarity.

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Dryheavemorning t1_iu13mta wrote

>and hunting rifles are excluded

Long guns are far more than just "hunting rifles."

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AnyOldNameNotTaken t1_iu16bk2 wrote

Mostly hunting rifles. Yeah you can sell an AR with a barrel 16+ and overall length 26+ but the reality is those are rarely used in criminal activity. Handguns are the vast majority followed by SBRs as far as gun murders go. Thats why the law is formulated as such.

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Trionappa t1_iu19q1t wrote

So as I said. You are wrong anyone can sell a firearm, as long as it’s not a hand gun.

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AnyOldNameNotTaken t1_iu1atw5 wrote

Don’t break your arm patting yourself on the back for being only mostly wrong dude

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Trionappa t1_iu1b8x2 wrote

Lmao. Brother you are an idiot. But that’s okay!

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AnyOldNameNotTaken t1_iu1bewe wrote

Bud, you’re a dunce

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Trionappa t1_iu1bvqh wrote

You’re pretty upset because you were called out on being wrong. Some big boomer energy

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AnyOldNameNotTaken t1_iu1cfyt wrote

Not upset in the slightest, nor was I wrong if you read any of the info I responded with to add clarity, nor am I even close to a boomer. You need a nap or a snack or something.

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Dryheavemorning t1_iu3zkep wrote

Long gun private seller exemption in action:

>It was revealed late Thursday that the gunman purchased the rifle from a private seller, according to a news release from St. Louis Metropolitan Police Department.

>The suspect attempted to buy a firearm from a licensed dealer in St. Charles, Missouri, on October 8, but an FBI background check "successfully blocked this sale," according to police.

>"As a result, the suspect sought out and bought the rifle used in the school shooting from a private seller, who legally purchased the weapon from a federally licensed dealer in December 2020," the release read. "There is no existing law which would have prevented the private sale between the original purchaser and the suspect in this case."

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