colourcodedcandy t1_ir1godv wrote on October 4, 2022 at 5:19 PM

Reply to comment by allid33 in Philadelphia among best cities for Gen Z by ColdJay64

Crime + not as many high paying jobs as nyc/boston/chicago/bay area/austin

uptimefordays t1_ir1qt4c wrote on October 4, 2022 at 6:22 PM

Many remote jobs base pay on region or nearest office. It’s very possible to make NYC money living here.

colourcodedcandy t1_ir1rqve wrote on October 4, 2022 at 6:28 PM

While I understand and agree with your point, college students graduate and go where their friends go. And sadly the bay area, chicago, and nyc have been made into hubs for students to move to for various reasons and philly just doesn’t have the same appeal. A lot of this is based on perception and I always say philly has a lot of potential but needs a lot of good marketing/propaganda to hype it up (tbh I would live here though I’m not sure I would raise a child here - “gritty” is not appealing)

uptimefordays t1_ir21cs4 wrote on October 4, 2022 at 7:28 PM

Plenty of Temple alums stick around. I’d also point out SF isn’t exactly a paradise right now, they just recalled their DA over crime. SF and NYC are also vastly more expensive than Philly, if you can afford either—you could live anywhere in Philly and send your kids to Friends Select, Haverford, etc.

I think it comes down for what parents want/expect for their children. If having that suburban experience of total safety and impunity is important, raising children in a city or rural area probably won’t cut it.

armhad t1_ir5cp2o wrote on October 5, 2022 at 1:37 PM

Exactly who is consistently basing pay off of region? I’ve never seen NYC lumped in the same end of the pay band as Philly for remote positions, and I fully understand why. Philly at best is considered MCOL, and unless the company simply has no pay band (which likely makes them less competitive in pay), then there’s definitely usually an earning difference between cost of living/business and not an entire region. Add to that the difference in “potential income”, losses you’ll face by staying in Philly, and then it makes sense as to why we leave for other cities out of school.

Idk if “nyc money” is a general statement meant to mean high paying for standard Philly income, but although I have a high paying remote job, it’s still less than what I’d make in sf or nyc, and that’s the case at most of the places I know hiring early careers. Over time if I choose to stay in Philly, it’d become a drastically bigger gap, so I have more reason to leave at a higher position.

uptimefordays t1_ir5df6j wrote on October 5, 2022 at 1:42 PM

Tech and tech adjacent companies in my experience. HashiCorp, for instance, would pay a Philly based worker on NYC salary bands because NYC is the nearest office and that’s how they calculate locality pay.

armhad t1_ir5j69n wrote on October 5, 2022 at 2:24 PM

Tech is my experience too and I feel like I’ve not seen many places offer that structure outside of a few random startups or the few (but growing) number of places that have committed to no pay bands

uptimefordays t1_ir5ob59 wrote on October 5, 2022 at 2:59 PM

Huh during my most recent job search (last winter) Amazon, CoinBase, HashiCorp, Puppet, and a handful of much less recognizable financial service firms were all up front about pay/benefits/etc. for remote work and while some of the pay bands, Amazon for instance, were roughly doubled by RSUs for devops roles everyone was offering ~$170k base which seems rather high for basing pay on Philly CoL.

Maybe it’s less common than I thought but I’m making the same amount as my NYC based colleagues.