rovinchick t1_is5w87b wrote on October 13, 2022 at 3:08 PM

Thanks! Annoying that Vanore declined to provide this information and instead seems to imply the gun shop didn't do their job.

ColdJay64 t1_is66z6k wrote on October 13, 2022 at 4:20 PM

Well the gun shop's existence helped make this possible. A large amount of guns used in the city also started off as legal purchases; https://www.phillyvoice.com/crime-guns-sales-philadelphia-brady/

That said, it does sound like this guy should've been in jail long ago. I wonder what the latest on Krasner's impeachment is.

rovinchick t1_is68fi1 wrote on October 13, 2022 at 4:29 PM

The thing is that I want legal gun owners to have easy access to ammo, because more practice means better marksmanship and less chance of endangering a bystander. So I have no problem with gun shops being around and selling ammo, but if there is a law that says felons shouldn't have it (makes sense), then it also makes sense that the state should have a law that shops should do a quick background check before selling said ammo.

ColdJay64 t1_is6azge wrote on October 13, 2022 at 4:46 PM

I get that, and yeah they should do background checks before selling ammo.

Btw I'm also not completely anti-gun, I grew up with them and may get a handgun in the near future. I just hear stories like this and the article I shared above, leading me to question whether they should be this available to the public.

Scumandvillany t1_is6ml8t wrote on October 13, 2022 at 6:01 PM

The thing is, there is no going back. The cow has been milked, the wench has been fucked, the cats out of the bag. There are 600 plus million firearms, and there's 3d printers and open source plans that can do more.

There's trillions of rounds of ammunition floating around.

The Swiss can purchase fully automatic weapons at a whim. Is their murder rate awful? No.

We've got systemic problems, equality issues flow through from that, and we've got an ineffective police department that can't solve shootings at more than 10%. Its pathetic.

randym99 t1_is6srrr wrote on October 13, 2022 at 6:41 PM

which wench though, there are so many

ColdJay64 t1_is6s6ey wrote on October 13, 2022 at 6:37 PM

You don't think mandatory gun buybacks could be effective? Obviously the optional ones do nothing and probably just waste government money.

Switzerland is just so different from us. My understanding is that military service is mandatory for all men which includes weapons training, and then they have the option to buy their weapon when they are done serving. After a triple shooting like 20 years ago, now a permit is required for people leaving service, and justification for why the weapon is needed. Their rate of gun ownership is also about half of ours, despite still being one of the highest on Earth.

I agree with you on the systemic problems - those are what differentiate us most from any other high income country when making comparisons regarding gun laws and violence. Also the abysmal rate of these shootings being solved like you mentioned. Addressing these issues would for sure have the greatest impact on public safety. Shoot, maybe we should make a few years of military service a requirement.

Argentum1078682 t1_is7kpd9 wrote on October 13, 2022 at 9:41 PM

Mandatory gun buybacks aren't politically popular. The main reason for that is that there's a lot of gun owners.

Even if politically popular, the legal changes necessary to do so are very difficult and would be easily derailed by pro gun interests.

If you offered $500 a gun which is probably a fair average value, it would cost $200 billion dollars just to buy 400 million guns. That doesn't include the infrastructure to administer the buybacks and have the weapons destroyed. Let's say another 50 bil.

250 billion is a lot of money for a best case scenario in terms of implementation. But mandatory buybacks are likely to be extremely controversial and will need to use force against the non compliant.

The vast majority of gun owners are honest people that never used their gun improperly. Even so, a very small percentage of radicals among a population of approximately 100 million owners is still millions of people.

If they don't comply, do you send in police to confiscate? Would the police follow through and execute warrants en masse against people holed up at home with their guns? I certainly wouldn't.

BooBooKittyChris1775 t1_is8cugn wrote on October 14, 2022 at 1:09 AM

Buybacks are a JOKE, and a money maker for people with broken, unusable firearms, people with any machining skills, or people with a 3D printer.

Average buy back is $150-250 each gun. A buddy of mine in Arizona 3D-printed 25 pistols, and sold them all for $200 each this year. It cost him less than $200 to print them all, he made a $4,800 profit and bought 3 more rifles with the money, lol. 🤣

ColdJay64 t1_is8dirh wrote on October 14, 2022 at 1:14 AM

"Obviously the optional ones do nothing and probably just waste government money."

Maybe your friend is part of why Phoenix is getting so violent: https://ktar.com/story/5215561/recent-gun-violence-is-unlike-anything-phoenix-police-chief-has-seen-in-33-years/

BooBooKittyChris1775 t1_is8fmvy wrote on October 14, 2022 at 1:30 AM

Don't see how, seeing he's never committed a crime in his life aside from speeding, and had never shot someone outside of military duty when he did 3 tours in Afghanistan, but do go on with that assumption.

ColdJay64 t1_is8k7yh wrote on October 14, 2022 at 2:05 AM

Lol I was joking, I don't think he's responsible for that.

I also realize that buybacks the way we do them now don't work, when I lived in Baltimore people showed up with crazy things like used rocket launchers... and still got paid. I'm talking about the type of buyback they did in Australia. The only reason it wouldn't work in the US is because people are psycho about having guns, even though the current laws were crafted with 250 year-old guns in mind. Maybe if the national guard was knocking on people's doors...

BooBooKittyChris1775 t1_is8l4o1 wrote on October 14, 2022 at 2:11 AM

Gotcha, sarcasm doesn't always translate well here, and there are people that actually do have that train of thought.

People who own firearms here don't want to lose money, lol.

Like my co-worker just bought a Christensen 6.5 Creedmore rifle for $2300 before taxes. A buyback here wouldn't be a tenth of what he paid.

We HAVE had the NG knocking on doors, and even shooting and killing civilian college kids.

ColdJay64 t1_is8m03x wrote on October 14, 2022 at 2:18 AM

That's fair, they are definitely expensive.

My dad was law enforcement so I grew up shooting all types of guns, and I'm not against the reasons that most people want them. I've just read data on where crime guns originate, and they are often traced back to legal dealers which makes me think something should be changed.

BooBooKittyChris1775 t1_is8ml7u wrote on October 14, 2022 at 2:23 AM

I know a few years back, one of our local gun stores was robbed after hours. Stole over 50 firearms. Didn't go through the doors or windows though. They brought a cutting torch and cut a hole in the side of the metal wall, lol.

Criminals just aren't going to kowtow to society and rules, no matter how many laws are created, it's frustrating for sure.

While I'm sure, a few have been illegally sold over the years, I don't think most that are registered to dealers are dirty sales, I think most are stolen.

BooBooKittyChris1775 t1_is8cat6 wrote on October 14, 2022 at 1:05 AM

In March of 2020, the Federal Gov processed over FOUR Million background checks for firearm purchases. That's just one month, and I know my purchase that month took 8 days to clear due to my common name, as well a military history.

Imagine the clusterfuck if they had to process 40 million checks monthly for all firearm and ammo purchases. It would crash the system. Completely unfeasible and as the laws read currently, illegal; since only firearm ownership is regulated, not ammunition.

lordredsnake t1_is8q3q0 wrote on October 14, 2022 at 2:50 AM

Krasner's office requested $1 million bail, which is as close as they can get to denying bail. The judge rejected the request and granted $180,000 bail.

This has been a common thread in a few other cases where offenders were out on bail. So if we want to assign blame, we should make sure the judges are held accountable too.

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ColdJay64 t1_is5pnm0 wrote on October 13, 2022 at 2:23 PM

Thanks!! Didn’t read yesterday’s

e22ddie46 t1_is6gqqu wrote on October 13, 2022 at 5:23 PM

Immediately thought of the fact that kelso was able to rent a tap for a keg despite being under 18 in that 70s show. And the bartender just being like...can't drink a tap. Not sure why I wouldn't be able to sell you it.

Police arrest second suspect in Roxborough High School shooting

Brahette t1_is5msi1 wrote on October 13, 2022 at 2:03 PM