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redeyeblink OP t1_iyd9ql7 wrote
>D.C.’s police force has struggled to find recruits in the competitive labor market and it’s trying to stand out with its generous hiring bonuses and recruitment campaigns in metros like New York City and Philadelphia. But these efforts come as the Philadelphia Police Department faces recruitment woes of its own.
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>Philadelphia police are short about 500 officers and pension records show the department expects hundreds more employees will retire within the next four years. And more than 500 officers are off duty on injury claims, a trend driven in part by abuse of a state disability benefit.
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>Amid changing attitudes toward policing and an unrelenting gun violence crisis, the Philadelphia Police Department is not worried D.C. might be drawing local talent with hefty bonuses. Philly hires start off at just shy of $60,000 and can reach close to $64,000 within six months. After an 18-month probationary period, MPD’s new hires make close to $66,000 but they also have to afford the D.C. area’s higher cost of living.
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>Officers in Washington, D.C., are not required to live in the city while Philadelphia police officers must move into the city within a year of getting hired. Earlier this year, Philadelphia waived a requirement that new recruits live in the city for at least a year before starting the job.
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HuskyBonr t1_iydek16 wrote
Philly used to require an associates degree but eliminated that to be able to hire from within the community better. So pick one. Hire more qualified candidates or include members of the community who can’t meet that standard for whatever reason.
secretlypooping t1_iydftg3 wrote
>And more than 500 officers are off duty on injury claims, a trend driven in part by abuse of a state disability benefit.
I'd be surprised if these guys aren't trying to find a way to scam that $20k from DC, claim disability, and do neither job
Lunamothknits t1_iydg0o4 wrote
Those incomes are not enough to pull people from Philly to the DC metro area. What a laughable offer.
PPD’s hiring process is absolutely insane, considering the amount they need to hire. They need to make it easier, not harder, to get into the academy. They don’t plan to, so I doubt the number of hires is going to be much help for a while.
SendingToTheMoon t1_iydific wrote
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂”Agent for Change” holy fuck what a load of shit. If anyone is thinking of joining the PD to “change stuff” you’re beyond naive
Lil_Napkin t1_iyditge wrote
This is a pretty crazy take I don't think you really understand how this works and is overcomplicating things though you have SOME good points lol. With the crime rates so high and the current perception of police in the country it would literally be impossible for them to higher capable numbers with degrees. I don't think you really thought this through hence your dislikes. Statistically speaking cops are OVERWORKED and overwhelmed. Especially in places like Philadelphia where crime is so common to the point where police can't be at every single crime scene in a timely manner because of multiple variables and its not because they are lazy.
Do you know anybody that works for the Philly PD? Sound like you made alot of assumptions based off a few bad apples. We literally don't have enough personnel to handle every murder case with alot of efficiency because so many shootings happen! Think about that. I wouldn't even say it's the cops it's more so the people in the community that's problem we need to tackle.
Edit:I'm also gonna add that police officer murders are up 59% which is another factor why it would be harder to get more cops with degrees. Also, a degree wouldn't make a cop any better. As someone who been in the military for 6 years a degree DOES NOT make someone better fit for the job. I've seen alot of college specialists with no common sense or even the bravery the guys without a degree have. It comes down to the individual. These are selfless jobs. School isn't going to teach you that.
shark_skin_suit t1_iydncri wrote
>There needs to be complete restructuring of requirements to be a cop - 4 year degree in sociology/psychology/criminal justice before entering police academy would be a start.
I agree with your sentiments. They typically will not hire people above a certain IQ point, with their rational being that someone smarter would get 'bored of the job, leave, and the training would be a waste'
TrentonMakes t1_iydods6 wrote
Why would anyone want to be a cop here or any major city is beyond me. For most qualified applicants and hard workers departments like Philly are either stepping stones or just a way to get the certification to move on to smaller and better agencies.
As far as sitting on their ass and not doing anything big city departments including Philly are restricted in what they can do. One example in Philly is they started this program where they’re paired up with a trooper who isn’t restricted by Philly policies and consent decrees to actually make proactive efforts which won’t get thrown out in court because of local policy violations.
Lunamothknits t1_iydohjg wrote
Degrees don’t correlate to higher IQ ranges.
Rivster79 t1_iydqan7 wrote
Here’s a 30% raise, good luck with you 100% cost of living increase!
AgentDaxis t1_iydqp7r wrote
Fuck the PPD.
Defund, dismantle, & replace.
jbphilly t1_iydtdxm wrote
> Defund, dismantle,
Isn't this redundant
Porky_Porkie t1_iydthxc wrote
Not sure why the downvotes but everything you said is true.
Porky_Porkie t1_iydtmku wrote
>Hire more qualified candidates
I agree with this but where do you find these candidates?
Porky_Porkie t1_iydu3ad wrote
>will not hire people above a certain IQ point, with their rational being that someone smarter would get 'bored of the job, leave, and the training would be a waste'
Yep, very common practice.
mistersausage t1_iyduigi wrote
Lots of these reactions come from everyday interactions with cops. Ones who refuse to take police reports for minor quality of life crimes, the mandatory cop at every construction site going on their phone in the car, and general asshole attitude by plenty of cops.
crispydukes t1_iydv0ig wrote
Yeah, because they'll actually have to work in DC and not just post racist memes on facebook or claim "disability"
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filladellfea t1_iydyg8k wrote
you sound like trump when he said he was going to repeal ACA and replace it with something better
courageous_liquid t1_iydylfm wrote
I saw these ads the other day on a zipcar depot on broad and thought the exact same thing.
Good luck commuting like 2 hours to work from outside the beltway because there's no way they could afford or desire to live anywhere in actual DC.
Lunamothknits t1_iydyqa8 wrote
And don’t expect to afford northern VA either! 🥲
Lunamothknits t1_iydyt67 wrote
Exactly. I don’t think most people realize what an inflated bubble the whole area is!
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JWHISKY707 t1_iydzz3q wrote
Cost of living only matters if they are buying a home in DC/etc.
$20,000 sign on bonus and a $6,000 temp renting/living expense provided is really good if you are ok commuting which many be ok with who dont want to live in philly limits.
DC is still way cheaper than say NYC.
People are overstating the cost of living issue
Rivster79 t1_iye12a2 wrote
To be fair, we are the ones in an inverted bubble. Philly is the most affordable large east coast city, even though it doesn’t feel that way at times.
We like to complain, but we have it pretty damn good here.
Dryheavemorning t1_iye1io1 wrote
>Cost of living only matters if they are buying a home in DC/etc.
Are they going to commute from the Philadelphia area? The median cost of a family home in the DC metro area is over double the Phila metro area.
lorductape t1_iye4h3i wrote
Lol. Well I live in the DC suburbs now, and the cost of living in even the SUBURBS of DC is so insane. I lived in fairmount and grad hospital and the cost was reasonable, now I’m making a lot more money and still can barely afford it.
Lil_Napkin t1_iye5k9m wrote
Cite your source
Lil_Napkin t1_iye61q1 wrote
Ahhh yes end up like Portland where the homicide rate risen 83% because they want to defund and get rid of the police. Imagine if Philly homicide rise by 83% it would be anarchy. Edit: hopefully you guys know what sarcasm mean
Believe2224 t1_iye6k1k wrote
I think it’s a noble venture that has to start somewhere
That kind of negativity and “nothing can be done” attitude is what truly plagues this city
AgentDaxis t1_iye7ybr wrote
The PPD sure wouldn’t care if the homicide rate’s increased by 83%.
They don’t even investigate shootings anymore.
IPA_lot_ t1_iye8j04 wrote
A lot of people join to make a difference but end up getting corrupted along the way.
shark_skin_suit t1_iyea37t wrote
https://www.yourtango.com/news/police-high-iq-max-limit-degrees-police-reform
there are links to a few court cases in here, including President Johnson's 1967 Commission on Law Enforcement and the Administration of Justice which recommended that all police officers nationwide have a bachelor’s degree by 1982. Similar to The Great Society, that notion was ignored.
Funnyboyman69 t1_iyeb3dw wrote
Yeah exactly what we need, more undertrained and under-qualified officers. We need to start prioritizing addressing the root of this cities issues instead of using police as a bandaid solution for everything.
anonymous_lighting t1_iyeclup wrote
if the temp renting / living expense was $26,000 annually it’s still not enough lmao do you have any idea of housing costs?
Gizz718 t1_iyedrxu wrote
nyc and dc don’t have shootouts quite like philly does
Rivster79 t1_iyeek4n wrote
They don’t know what they’re missing
SendingToTheMoon t1_iyeg0bu wrote
thankfully that’s not what I said
Believe2224 t1_iyeiink wrote
SendingToTheMoon t1_iyej32h wrote
Ok ig since we’re just making stuff up now, why did you say “I gobble boot down my throat regularly because the leather taste great and I prefer it over seeing a dentist”
Rivster79 t1_iyej5lo wrote
More like unfairfax amirite?
kilometr t1_iyekw8m wrote
It’s the same with every government position in the city. It’s not that it’s hard to get in is the problem. It just takes forever to get hired so good candidates would likely find work elsewhere by the time the application is completed
JWHISKY707 t1_iyengoz wrote
First off those numbers are insanely skewed are flat wrong.
A quick search on homesnap yields plenty of homes half the price listed at a 25 min commute. Extend that to 45 min and the possibilities are endless.
The only thing is the home prices and if you can work that out its endlessly better in every regard.
Believe2224 t1_iyentvo wrote
Go for it you’re still a dickhead
JWHISKY707 t1_iyeo6lz wrote
Yes housing its worse off but $26,000 is def enough to get situated on your situation before earning just below 70K. Thats right below the recommended 76K.
DC cost of living is only worse cause housing. It beats expenses on basic needs stuff like food, transportation, healthcare, etc.
elevatednova t1_iyeoon7 wrote
That’s how we keep the home/rent prices down! Smh,😔
Dryheavemorning t1_iyep0lt wrote
>Extend that to 45 min and the possibilities are endless.
Lol, the possibilities are all smaller and shittier for the price and good school districts are more expensive than here. Cool stats. 45 min from DC is also like 5-10 miles, the traffic is horrendous.
JWHISKY707 t1_iyepvfd wrote
You realize the shittiest schools in the DC area are on average twice as good as Philly.
Actually some of the stuff your saying is straight garbage. Ive spent a fair amount of time in DC and its clear your just another Philly is amazing over everything nut
ChemicalPop5255 t1_iyev6hu wrote
Take them all please 🙏
Dryheavemorning t1_iyevcwq wrote
My wife and her immediate family are all from the DC area, I'm very familiar. Life is great there, like it is here, if you make good money. It just takes more there for a similar lifestyle and these jobs don't pay the difference. Not sure why that triggers you so much.
jersey_girl660 t1_iyewgpd wrote
Sadly this is really common even in surrounding government agencies. I got hired by the state of New Jersey and it took almost 6 months to start. Not to mention the pay is incredibly low I cannot afford to survive solely on my salary. Historically government work attracted people with good benefits but you were still supposed to be able to live on the salary even if it wasn’t as comfortable of a life.
You can’t pay your bills with health insurance so I’m not surprised people don’t want to work for government agencies when the hiring process takes half a year; you get paid laughably low wages, and you may never even get the pension you’re supposed to get.
If they paid workers more that would partially fix recruitment(and get more people in HR to actually get the onboarding process to be quicker) however that’s a non starter with the public. So government institutions continue to wither away their job base.
jersey_girl660 t1_iyewlby wrote
You literally said someone is mistaken if they’re joining the PD to make a difference. There’s not much else it can be interpreted as.
jersey_girl660 t1_iyewq0b wrote
That’s exactly the problem. Not enough people want to be police officers in crime ridden cities without an associates degree. If you make that a requirement the recruitment pool withers significantly.
cielorossa t1_iyewwwf wrote
THIS. THIS. THIS!
jersey_girl660 t1_iyewzdk wrote
They don’t have time to properly deal with those types of crimes in rich suburbs who have barely any violent crime. Is it any surprise a severely understaffed department in one of America’s most violent cities doesn’t have the time?
Gator1523 t1_iyex2yu wrote
Citynerd did a video about this. Crime is factored into home prices, and excessively so. Meaning you can find a great deal by moving into a safe neighborhood in a city with a reputation for crime.
Gator1523 t1_iyexbsd wrote
We live in a society where you need a job to live, but the city government thinks people will just be unemployed for 6 months while they wait for the city to maybe, potentially hire them.
SendingToTheMoon t1_iyexhs0 wrote
I guess if you lack any imagination at all about what can be done to make difference I suppose you could interpret it that way. As I said before joining the police to “make a difference” is very naive way of thinking. There are vastly more useful ways to do that in our communities.
AlphaStormyFire t1_iyeyexq wrote
They send “recruits” in DC to the trenches with no gun or armor. My old roommate was a recruit and she quit over lack of safety.
JWHISKY707 t1_iyeyn1i wrote
Cause you are just being dense.
The city should be worried that other cities are trying to pouch a already under staffed force.
Especially when most places offer a better standard of living. Philly just isn't up and coming like it was 10-15 years ago. The outlook is bleak and the government here has zero answers.
The police dont want to be here and people dont want to work for the police here.
Its clear as day the disaster that is coming when the force starts retiring in droves. They are predicting it and the only response they got was a 1 year moving gap
SendingToTheMoon t1_iyeypp0 wrote
Pro tip: I hear guzzling shit washes the taste of boot out of your mouth pretty well, you should give it a try. That way at least you live up to the title of being a bullshit consumer.
Dryheavemorning t1_iyf0bcw wrote
I agree they should be worried about poaching, just not from DC. It's the suburban municipalities with typically less stressful jobs and good pay and benefits that poach experienced Philadelphia cops. Also less of a life change to move to the burbs. We definitely need to make it more attractive to be a police officer here but not because of this DCPD scheme.
Sunni_tzu t1_iyf1xgj wrote
The PPD aren’t worried because why would you leave a cushy job getting paid on “temporary disability” while also being out with the “blue flu” while also working a active second job to pay for your shore house. I’m sure the DC police department requires their staff to actually show up and do the job.
mistersausage t1_iyf6dtw wrote
In 2010 I filed a police report online for a stolen bag in San Francisco. It's 2022 why are they all still done on carbon paper here?
No1Statistician t1_iyf6uj2 wrote
Cost of living is about 37% higher
BlackhawkinPA t1_iyf7psm wrote
Southeast D.C. would like to have a word with you...
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