It was a bad and gruesome video but all the cops involved are fired, and charged, idk what much else can be done to placate people

Interested in this too. I work in CC and want to make sure my staff get home safe.

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And there's zero way to paint it as racially motivated

All cops are cops first. All cops exist to protect white supremacy in the United States.

IMO, Cops protect the rich, not just the white rich.

There's significant overlap, but the goal is to protect the wealthy, not just the white wealthy.

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I'm going to riot if I have to listen to helicopters all night.

Jokes aside, no. In 2020 people were all bent out of shape about covid still and all the young people were cooped up at their parents house instead of at school. Different setting now.

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Why would you say yes?

No

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>All cops are cops first. All cops exist to protect white supremacy in the United States.

All cops are cops first. All cops exist to protect white supremacy the rich in the United States.

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Fixed that for you.

Yes, but again, why do you think yes to riots in Philly?

Yeah I think having a downtown that stays active at night makes it less likely. Last time everything was boarded up and abandoned as well. Now people are out and about to drink or eat out on a Friday

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I could see it happening, the videos were horrific. There are no words. Worst I’ve seen.

From my understanding, cops have been prepping today for possible violence

Just passed through and cops are ready but nothing yet

Protestors started at city hall and headed into rittenhouse sq according to 1060AM. It was 50ish people from a political action group, I don’t see that turning into a riot. The Eagles are playing at home this weekend, I really don’t see anything happening but who knows.

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The bodycam footage of the Tyre Nichols beating was released tonight.

It's gruesome. Arguably worse than Floyd. Multiple cops beat him to death.

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I'd say 1/2 of that is probably the group of people who are a part of every protest group, that are just there to also get their cause some exposure.

Ya know…. The eagles might just be what saves the city from burning for a 3rd time in as many years.

Shut up

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We’re you around for the two round of riots in 2020? Why did people in Philly riot then?

What happened?

You can see it here.. warning it’s horrific footage. https://www.cnn.com/specials/live-video-0

I didn’t realize wanting to protest against police brutality only counts if the officers are white.

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That's a damn lie. If a cop knows you have $$ (and we're talking old $$ not just in a nice car) you are teflon.

Poor white people get fucked up by the judicial system too, just like poor Chinese, poor Hispanic, etc. If you're poor and suspected of a crime, you're fucked. If you're rich and (somehow) suspected of a crime, you can buy your freedom.

Or direct from Memphis PD Vimeo account: https://vimeo.com/cityofmemphis

What a nuanced multifactor analysis.

The unironic "5 black cops beating a black man is to uphold white supremacy" take as if you're living in a satire.

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50 people who are just addicted to protesting something since any realistic demands have been addressed for almost a week now.

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I think people protest when they are available. People were available in 2020. And reflecting on life and speaking to each other. I think the state has made sure that we all get back to work and school so that kind of uprising can never happen again.

Yes, that was the erudite argument you were making when you said “everyone in the hood is going to get a free pair of sneakers this weekend.”

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It is, curiosity got the best of me during my walk home from the office. It’s the same people from the Democrat Socialists of America group that organizes protests around the area. I doubt riots will break out considering the 5 cops already got fired and charged with some degree of murder.

it's not about placating people, justice needs served here. this needs to be a capital offense for all cops involved. Death penalty needs to be on the table

I didn't realize I said those words, but hey, thanks for giving me the feeling of watching the news. Love having narratives painted out of thin air.

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Zero percent chance.

I don’t think it’s that weird. There were Black slave drivers. There have always been all kinds of people that sell out their own people. See: women who specifically target and tear other women down in the workplace, etc. That’s much less serious but it’s the same principle

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And the damn unit was already disbanded. Hopefully the 5 of them get the book thrown at them.

It's also fucking cold & dreary out, and good luck getting anybody to go out of their way to riot in freezing temps. The only person who acts like people go out of their way to do something shitty in the cold is Jussie Smollett.

I get what you're trying to go for, and if you want to abstract this to the point of "police culture is furthering white supremacy" then I think you are coincidentally right to a degree, but I would still argue that the main point or the main toxin to police culture (that these five black officers upheld) is to protect the rich.

White people tend to be the rich, but the focus is on wealth, not race.

I’m all for protests and it’s good that it’s an organized effort but nothing justifies a riot. I own a couple grocery stores and they were looted during the last riots, like I had anything to do with Minneapolis and Walter Wallace. If this was a hot summer month I’m sure it would get out of control.

Money bag George S. Sold out the Jews.

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Exactly. We need to kill people to teach people not to kill people.

The fucks the matter with you?

True, and while I understand why riots happen (Detroit riots, LA in the 90s), the narrative of "insurance will cover it" or "oh big corporation, they'll be fine" is the worst justification and flies in the face of what MLK said about riots.

It's hard to find, but there are still areas of Minneapolis that either haven't rebuilt or are just shells of their former selves now 2 1/2 years later. I remember reading about most independent owners struggling to get permits just to raze the plot of land and having to go through bureaucracy either with the city or insurance companies to just start over.

They were all over 52nd st on foot around rush hour so I know this video is bad. Haven’t seen it yet myself. But yeah, they wanna get ahead of any possibilities.

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I don’t like seeing people limit it to a class thing because it feels like they’re erasing the race piece of it when the race piece is foundational too. I see it as based in both, money and race.

Edit: I think I’m trying to say- race stuff feels so tied up with class anyway. In the US Black people are a permanent underclass. The country assigned people to be slaves and then to be under resourced after that (through policy decisions like blocking Black ppl from home ownership, blocking ppl from good jobs, etc.) Race is the way they assigned people’s class so it feels weird to just take that out of it when it matters- I don’t want to erase who is doing the worst with the police and why the way “it’s just about class” feels like it’s erasing it, does that make sense?

That was my point but the damn edgelords downvoting me from Lansdale & Springfield (or even from Northern Liberties or some college dorm) only want to burn the system, period. Nothing short of anarchy.

Guess who gets blamed when that shit happens? Won't be them...

I think because of the way it was handled immediately (firings, criminal charges) this one doesn't feel like it's being swept under the rug and the need to protest is greatly diminished.

Stop giving the police so much money

Just drove thru CC on my way home. People out, nothing happening.

Biden is already making it a racial issue

Edit: they always want it to be a culture issue instead of a class issue. Keep us divided and conquered.

Because Tyre Nichols was a Black man? Because Black and Brown men are targeted by law enforcement at significantly higher rates than white men?

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Biden is already painting it as a racial issue

You think the cops were racist in this situation?

All cops are complicit when ACAB

I’d be more worried about riots tomorrow after the Eagles game

Probably because the cops were black

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The Eagles should protest… The whole damn league should protest. Jesus Christ! That footage is sickening.

Your staff wouldn’t get attacked. Have you heard of these type of protests leading to random people being attacked?

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Black people can be antiblack, absolutely. A lot are. I personally have been when I was much younger, I’m not proud to admit it but it’s true. That’s common for all communities, hating your own people (I keep bringing up women as my other example, this is like the women who say “I’m not like other girls, I can’t be friends with other women, I’m only friends with guys”) it’s standard stuff

I believe the entirety of the law enforcement system as it currently stands is inherently racist. Law enforcement, regardless of their individual racial or ethnic backgrounds, have shown that they view each other as “blue brothers” with the goal of protecting each other and consolidating power. When Black people were enslaved peoples in the US who did the white owners rely on to enforce and punish the “field slaves”? I sincerely doubt they would have done this to a white man pulled over for a traffic stop.

Thank you for explaining your POV, and I think I understand what you're trying to say.

I agree that there is so much overlap that it does feel like effectively a race-war - I mean, you live here in Philly, look at the demographics of Kensington v. Society Hill - so I guess trying to draw the two (race versus class) out too much can be counter-productive, even if I personally would weigh one over the other.

The Eagles play Sunday

Why?

Yeah! I think you’re dead on. The overdrawing one or the other is the issue. I have noticed what you’re talking about with demographics in Philly and it has made me kinda moderate my past viewpoint that race was everything in terms of who gets what - in Philly it’s clear that that’s not true. Thanks for your thoughts

None at all.

I think it’s pretty racist to compare black police officers to black slave drivers.

I do think there is systemic racism in law enforcement, but that’s not the primary driver here. The power they are primarily consolidating and protecting is class power. Police brutality happens regularly to working class white Americans as well.

After a traffic stop in Memphis a bunch of cops beat a guy to death, and they just released video and body camera footage

They’re planning to shut down all traffic Vine to Lombard 8th to 20th for the game

No. Even if this does become more akin to George Floyd, it still took time from the original Minneapolis protests to spread nationwide. And unlike Floyd this led to immediate consequences for the cops, and the authorities got to manage the video release

I'd be more worried about the Atlanta killing, that body cam footage is due to be out soon as well and that person was an activist and those cops have not been fired. If that video shows an illegitimate killing that could lead to more protests

The unrest that occurred in 2020 was a very different situation. You can't boil down what happened that summer simply as a result of a protest.

It’s possible that all 5 of the police officers are anti black racists, but I think you’re also discounting the influence of class in this situation.

Police routinely prey on the weak and vulnerable, regardless of race.

It was an analogy to show how the racist system utilizes folks being oppressed to work against their own best interests.

But you have a good night! Stay safe!

Unfortunately probably true

Videos from this are bad but nowhere near as bad as the Daniel Shaver video, and they let the cops who killed Shaver retire on disability. I've seen videos of ISIS executions and those were only somewhat worse than the Shaver video

I agree with that.

Yeah for the after party?

Keep your scared ass out of Philly

I’m in the ER at Pennsylvania Hospital and it’s completely empty at 9:08 pm! So …

There’s countless videos of people being killed by the police and immediately many come to their defense saying things like “well what happened before the cameras started recording?” immediately casting doubt on the victims and giving the police the benefit of the doubt. As you all can clearly see, these officers were immediately fired and charged, as they should be! But that should be the way these cases are handled across the board, not just against black officers.

Same in Cincinnati. We had windows broken at the buildings of the property company I worked for. Seemed like a lot of younger people just cooped up. I could hear whatever type of bangs they were using from my house 10 mins away from downtown.

I wonder. I would never want to live through the scariness of 2020 again. I would never want to fear my house or business could be destroyed. But when I saw Derek Chauvin convicted, even now when I saw Tyre’s killers convicted, I wondered if they did what they were supposed to out of fear of nationwide riots coming back. It feels like that’s the language the powerful understand. So then it’s like, how mad can you get at people for forcing the issue that way

Heh. Almost went there last week because I was experiencing vertigo and electric shock sensations. Figured out I had forgotten to take my anxiety meds for a few days. Whoops. Luckily, I got that figured out!

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Nope

Rioting in Philadelphia for something that happened in Memphis that wasn’t racially motivated? I seriously doubt it. Protesting sure but rioting?

Others take advantage of the protests. For various reasons.

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The people protesting in Memphis right now don't give a shit the police were arrested this one time, they'd prefer to not die from police period.

From what I understand, there’s several charges they’re all facing.

One is aggravated kidnapping. There’s also aggravated felony assault. And the major one…second degree felony murder, which is pretty much the highest murder charge one can get before we get into the pre-meditated definition.

NAL but…having being married to one before, intent can be formed in an instant. I wouldn’t be surprised if prosecutors would argue that too

Eagles winning the Super Bowl was the least amount of arrests on a Sunday in a long time. Eagles losing the Super Bowl wasn’t a riot either. This ‘philadelphia will burn the city no matter what’ is a crap late night tv show narrative. I don’t think we riot much for sports. I’ve only lived here for 30 years but I think that’s longish

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An alternate perspective: these people have done something that arguably makes them not worth rehabilitating. They are willing to literally kill the citizens they're supposed to protect, seemingly for no reason at all other than perverse enjoyment. A man is dead so that these people could exercise their authority and power.

I personally don't support the death penalty... largely because I don't trust that the government will use it correctly, and that largely based on decades of evidence of wrongful convictions.

But if it were to be allowed and used correctly, it would have to be a method of removing un-rehabilitatable, dangerous people from society. People who either cannot ever be trusted not to be a danger or who have shown that they are unwilling to cooperate with reform attempts.

I don't disagree with the death penalty as a concept, in some fictional ideal world where it would only ever be used on people we know will never not be dangerous to society. We don't live in that world, but I sympathize with people who believe that people who commit crimes like this should just be removed.

>Police brutality happens regularly to working class white Americans as well.

I'm sure, but it's worth pointing out the overtly racist elements of police behavior. It's not even remotely out of the realm of possibility that these cops have gotten it in their head that they are some of the "good ones" who either personally or whose family at one time escaped the hood, and have contempt for those who have not. I've personally head almost as many black people as white people make the comment that "there's n*****s and then there's black people." (EDIT: Though, to be fair, my social circle is mostly white. It's possible there's a bias there, regarding which black people choose to be a part of that circle or are made to feel uncomfortable doing so.)

Here's a personal anecdote. Probably about 10 years ago or so, I was in an acquaintance's back yard. There were a group of white adults, white teenagers, and one black teenager. All of us were borderline white-trash at the time.

A cop car comes screaming up the driveway. Two officers jump out, ignore every single white person, and tackle the black teenager. They ended up fracturing his skull and breaking his nose. We later found out that they were doing a drug bust... at the wrong house. I offered to testify, but the victim and his family never took me up on that and I have no idea if it went anywhere.

The point is, we were all very obviously of similar economic background--but somehow that was not enough to cause police brutality to the white people, but was enough to cause police brutality against the black person.

I think it's true that police action is largely class-based, but it's also important not to forget that there are racist elements at play.

Realistic demands like meaningful public oversight of police departments?

That one still haunts me because it was truly a “this can happen to anyone” set of circumstances.

And yet, you say his name to 100 people, how many will recognize him? 1 or 2? Got no widespread media coverage.

No

If the cops had been white, yes.

Memphis 5 haven’t been convicted, and there’s still a chance for Chauvin on appeal. There’s also been no real substantial progress reaped from the 2020 pushback. Irl there’s been even more cash thrown at policing in a misguided effort to better “training”. This is the shit they’re trained to do: you as blue are first and foremost, everything else is secondary.

And though I feel a bit for your personal experience 2020 summer wasn’t scary to most. It was a handful of OOP situations e.g. 6/2 in CC, Aramingo, 52nd, and a bit of West in October. They did what they were supposed to down Memphis because it’s what they’re supposed to do. Their hand was forced bc of the severity of the crimes, not bc the threat of isolated property damage

To accomplish what beyond arresting every involved officer?

Yeah, seeing all those charges makes me hopeful. Still that tinge of doubt, but hopeful of justice.

Figuring out why the fuck this happened at all, destroying the culture of police impunity, and an acknowledgement that this is a widespread issue should be a start.

Also, figure out what the fuck this statement was based off and fire the entire chain of command that wrote and approved it.

https://twitter.com/dyjuantatro/status/1619158230369964036?s=46&t=e8_ll_j2qy_-PHwp5Cs4kg

Police cover for each other, it’s literally their culture. So no, arresting the cops who did this is not enough, police flat out cannot be trusted to be honest with the public and this is a vivid example of that.

Ah, fair enough.

I wasn’t so much concerned of them being attacked, just that the roads/septa would be closed or inaccessible. But it was all good!