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porkchameleon t1_j63vxto wrote

Reply to comment by mortgagepants in Son of top Philadelphia police union official charged with possessing a stolen gun by redeyeblink

I don't know whom you are referring to, but just possessing an illegal gun and possessing an illegal gun during a crime are two completely different charges, no? Sentence should fit the offense, but in general I agree that book should be thrown at anyone who had an illegal firearm on them. Countries like Sweden and Japan don't fuck around with that (or drugs) whatsoever, but it's not the first world country we are talking about here.

The article said he's got top of the line lawyers, and with no priors he'll likely get off (IANAL, though), the case will be buried, and there will be no example made (I mean - smaller fish beats those charges on the daily, you really expect DA to stick it to a high profile police official's family?)

Additionally, I'll be predicting Powerball numbers at 11, stay tuned.

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mortgagepants t1_j63w4n0 wrote

a lot of people yesterday were saying the 16 year olds who robbed gun stores should be tried as adults and get the maximum sentences. they're really quiet today about this situation.

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napsdufroid t1_j652jrj wrote

They should be tried/sentenced as adults. Fuck that "they're children" bullshit

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mortgagepants t1_j657nn0 wrote

i'm happy to make 16 year olds full adults with all the rights, responsibilities, and privileges.

telling them they can work at 14, join the army at 18, smoke at 19, drink at 21, is pretty fucked up.

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napsdufroid t1_j6585y3 wrote

Criminals should be treated as such, especially when it involves a felony.They don;t need any limits removed.

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mortgagepants t1_j65bi3t wrote

well the same argument i got into yesterday in this exact sub is if we're doing maximum punishment for every felony, that is gonna have a lot of consequences for a lot of people. you ready for that?

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napsdufroid t1_j65lsf3 wrote

Yup, because we're talking about felonies that involve violence, burglary, etc.

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mortgagepants t1_j69w464 wrote

violent crime is a whole different thing. in philly they wont chase somebody for $1,000 bucks but i dont want to get my phone stole every day with no consequence.

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napsdufroid t1_j69wm1a wrote

And that's exactly the felonies where "children" need to be tried/sentenced as adults.

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mortgagepants t1_j69wu3h wrote

that doesn't do anything to stop the problems though. it just makes you feel good about punishing someone.

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napsdufroid t1_j6a3xof wrote

> that doesn't do anything to stop the problems though

Actually it does. It gets more criminals off the streets away from decent people. Obviously not the entire solution, but if you don't see that as helping to stop the problem, you're blind, dude.

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mortgagepants t1_j6a4800 wrote

i'm not blind, the data doesn't support your conclusion.

all this does is put your feelings over facts and it is not a pragmatic solution.

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napsdufroid t1_j6a6b4k wrote

> all this does is put your feelings over facts

No. That's your opinion. And I never said it was THE solution. But it's definitely part of it. "Data" means nothing when people are being robbed, beaten, and killed almost daily.

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mortgagepants t1_j6ad1fd wrote

do you want to actually solve the problem, or do you want to just feel good about putting a 16 year old kid in jail for 7 years for stealing a hyundai?

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napsdufroid t1_j6afyr0 wrote

How about both? And it's not a matter of "feeling good." That's nonsense to support your "but they're children" agenda.. It's a matter of feeling safer, one criminal at a time.

But OK. I'll play...what's your detailed plan to solve the problem?

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mortgagepants t1_j6agg6b wrote

yeah but they are children- if you want to try them as adults, give them all the rights and privileges of adults. we should not decide to punish children as adults because you feel scared.

i'm not going to lay out an entire criminology associates degree, but if you're interested, any resident or worker in philadelphia is eligible for a free library card. https://catalog.freelibrary.org/MyResearch/register

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napsdufroid t1_j6aixo8 wrote

So you really have no solution, or even a suggestion of one, so you give a completely condescending answer that says nothing.. Not surprising in the least.

And, no; they don't get the rights and privileges afforded adults because they committed a violent crime. That makes zero sense. But I think deep down, you know that. They deserve no special treatment. None.

Ans it's not a matter of feeling scared. It's a matter of feeling safer. There's a difference. You know that, too, but it doesn't agree with your agenda.

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mortgagepants t1_j6an9l0 wrote

lol ok- you don't think they should have equal rights to you- fair trial, attorney, anything?

i could tell you all about solutions that have worked in other places in the country, and other places in the world, but you don't care, because your emphasis is on your self and how you feel. that's why you "feel" condescended to- because this entire discussion has been about your feelings and nothing else.

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napsdufroid t1_j6ap3n3 wrote

Equal rights that any criminal gets, sure. As for the rest of your nonsense, that's just what it is...nonsense. You know that, too, but you choose to be condescending because that's all you have. The truly laughable part is that you somehow believe you're superior because of your nonsense,which, I assure you, you are not. lol

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mortgagepants t1_j6aqmjz wrote

i don't think i'm superior to you- you seem to be taking this all so personally. my ideas are far superior to yours though, and so much so they were even enshrined in the constitution.

you know you cant defend your position morally, so you're feigning victimhood to try to make disagreeing with your ideas the same as insulting you.

trust me, i wasn't insulting you personally because i honestly don't care about you at all

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napsdufroid t1_j6asp6n wrote

> my ideas are far superior to yours though,

No, they're not., and you're completely delusional to think they are. You're who can't defend your position in any way. You can't even offer a hint of a solution, but you just blabber about how others are wrong and you;re right with nothing to support your nonsense.

And trust me; a whole lot of people don't care about you in any way, shape, or form. All your downvotes in your last argument prove that.

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mortgagepants t1_j69vy02 wrote

felony tax evasion is 5 years and $100,000. if you paid your baby sitter over $600 this year without a W9, that would be the maximum penalty.

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