I sincerely hope not.

I hope not

Used to sit outside ProTap on vinyl Sundays and watch the carriages roll in. Hope they aren’t done

Great work on behalf of activists to make this happen.

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Hopefully they return

Knew someone who drove back in the 80s . Those poor horses. If they come back they need very strict rules for their care and long they are worked.

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Neigh.

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Never want anyone to lose their jobs but these are inhumane to the horses. I previously lived in NYC when this was ended under the previous unpopular mayor. I thought it was piling by the people when it ended and I reader literature about how inhumane this was.

No shade to anyone who reminiscence about this because most didn't know including myself. Once I talked to a activist I gladly signed their petition which ended the practice.

theses horses are regulated more than anything in the city: weather/temperature, amount of hours they are allowed to work, where they are allowed to work.

There used to be a bunch of carriage companies in Philly. 76 was the best of the best. if people who take 15 minutes to talk to the drivers or anyone at the stables you would all see how actually loved these beautiful animals are.

76 staff is the best of the best. They love these horses and would do anything for them. These horses are taken care off better then most pets. Just take 15 minutes to speak to someone who spends day in and out with these beautiful souls and you would understand

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I don't believe they are the only company that organize these functions. One company doesn't represent all. The same info you read about the one responsible company, I read and spoke to reasonable activist who argued something else.

On Saturday, Sept. 3 of this past year, some of my friends watched a horse's body fail as it was pulling a carriage on Sansom Street. Here is a photo my friend took. Please note the horse's swayback and general body condition. They couldn't get the horse to move, even decoupled, so they had to call that trailer in the picture to haul it away. This horse doesn't look loved. The photo makes it look like it might be a fleabitten gray horse, but in reality a lot of that coat color was dirt.

I'm not calling you a liar. I think it's possible that there have been drivers and stable workers who love the animals. But something is wrong here and it's probably better for the welfare of the animals if the carriages go away.

It's very cruel and I do hope Philly ends the practice. But I hope the horses have a place to go that isn't a kill pen at an auction

76 is actually the last carriage company in Philadelphia. And I didn't just read the info, I had the pleasure of being a driver there for three years (my horses have since retired to a farm of a former driver in Massachusetts).

The horses at 76 are loved. They save lives. I went through a very rough time right before I started there and seeing those gentle giants every day was the best therapy. They amount of happiness they bring is unsurmountable.

And before you say they are 'forced' to work....have you ever tried to make an 1800lb+ animal do something it didn't want to? Cause let me tell you, that's not reality.

Working carriage horses is one thing. But anyone who knows a lick about horses knows that much asphalt walking is awful on them. Not to mention how desperately hot it gets on the streets in summer. Plus asking these horses to share the road with Philly drivers. It's terrible.

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Let's say you are right in your evaluation (mind you there are non-biased animal activist who are reasonable argue differently) why isn't this still a viable business model? Why aren't small business owners still advocating this service.

Let's use logic here (not saying you aren't). Yes, politicians can do more harm than good but they wouldn't push policies that causes people to lose jobs.

Also, you can coerce a 1800 lbs. animal to do something which was one of the video shown to me which changed my mind about the practice.

That is not a horse from this company (can tell this because of the trailer and carriage front)

Does that mean it was an illegally operating company, under Philadelphia's official radar? The title of the Inquirer article that we're responding to states that 'the last' company closed its doors, is 76 the company referenced? I'm paywalled from actually reading the article.

Edit: I'm getting down voted and I'm not sure why. I'm legitimately asking

I ince reported them to ACCT when it was 95 degrees and they were not supposed to be out. For a horse that's at least 10 degrees higher. They're not going down Elfreths Alley: they were walking down 7th with the 47 tailgating.

Who is checking to make sure these horses are getting rest breaks? honest question

Everyone knows this cities governmente thrives on not enforcing the rules and an overall incompetance in virtually everything

Funny thing is I actually asked one where the horse lived 2 years ago

Guy told me the horse lived in a box not much larger then the carriage

So yea, your absolutely batshit buddy 🤣

Good riddance. Hopefully there will be legislation to prevent them from ever returning.

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They will be coming back. They are just moving to a different barn. The horses are out on their farm right now. I worked for the Philadelphia carriage company for a few months and thankfully they were shut down. 76 has the money and space to give their horses much better care considering the circumstances.

Where’s the new stable?

No clue. They posted on their Facebook today that they were moving

If P.T. Barnum were alive, I’m sure he could convince you that man can and will force large animals into work, regardless of its desire to do the job.

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The article is about 76 Carriage Co. They were the last company operating legally in Philly.

It is the drivers responsibility when they are downtown. The owner of the company is also known to drive around in his truck and call out drivers who are not abiding the rules.

Two years ago could have not been a 76 driver. There used to be two companies. The urge was shut down because the stables (which were located at 13th and Spring Garden) were not up to code according to the ACCT. 76 is actually who helped to place those horses into new homes and rehabs.

PT Barnum was a monster who exploited people as well as animals, so that’s a pretty trash example.

I work in center city. I can’t stand the carriages. I believe the drivers think the horses are treated well and I believe that they may even love the horses….

However, center city traffic and conditions do not treat the horses well and neither does the road. Breathing in exhaust all day, being inches away from being struck by cars, the honking, the exhaust, the sirens, etc.

This isn’t the 17 hundreds. There’s no place on the road for these animals in center city and to pretend otherwise is a farce.

Good. Now the huge project can move forward on that lot. Already permitted and approved.

Kinda sound like a dick.

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That place on 13th street was notoriously terrible towards their horses.

Who is “we”? Just because there’s a movie about them doesn’t mean the vast majority of Philadelphians support them taking subpar care of animals

I'm so glad they got rid of these. Even as a young kid when I was in Philly I knew the horses didn't like it. I could never understand why they did that.

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Depends on how it’s framed and who is in charge of directing it. There’s a market for garbage movies and documentaries, shit Netflix is stacking bills glorifying murderers, rapists and pedos in their shows.

Oh so the company is supposed to regulate and enforce laws for itself. Got it. I am sure they are not overlooking giving the horses breaks in order to make more money

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They are also regulated by the ACCT and the park rangers. But you do understand your “To make more money” logic has flaws, right?

Any chance of getting these same activists to work on street cleaning?? 🤷‍♀️ or give advice on where to start? Seriously… can we begin to put this in motion?

So don’t take this the wrong way but serious question, aren’t horses bred for work, like hauling stuff and whatnot. I always wondered what the big deal was. Maybe they’re being fed improperly or something?

Walking on paved streets is more damaging to their bodies than being in fields.

The heat island effect and lack of shade is not good for them and neither is all the exhaust.

Interesting info. Weird how your getting downvoted so severely for just sharing information.

I have no idea how they treated their horses. If they were terrible to them then I’m glad they got shut down.

Just referring to an experience I remember

The paved street thing makes total sense.

But the heat issue? Don’t wild horses naturally live in super hot areas, like South Carolina for example?

Any yes to exhaust, that shit ain’t good for anyone.

lol. how would you know what the horses liked?

woke

Edgy

I’m used to it

Sure but the asphalt gets really hot and although they don't have the same issue dogs have because they have hooves instead of paws, it still isn't good for them as the entire area gets hotter

https://www.caringvets.com/dog-and-hot-asphalt-prevention-tips/

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Anyone know why the fuck the philly pd has a mounted unit?

-random thought but i feel they could be connected

Because.

It's the same way I can tell when other animals don't like being mistreated.

If you had a heart, you might understand.

Nah

See, I knew it 😂

sounds exactly like what we’re talking about here, homie.

Except for none of the horses or people are exploited. There doing a job and recording a pay. PT Barnum basically treated his “sideshows” as slaves

So not the same