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Confident-Broccoli-5 t1_j98bad5 wrote

Reply to comment by cloake in Compatibilism is supported by deep intuitions about responsibility and control. It can also feel "obviously" wrong and absurd. Slavoj Žižek's commentary can help us navigate the intuitive standoff. by matthewharlow

>Determinism is already compatibilism.

It is yeah, most compatibilists believe determinism to be true.

>It's just biased minds that can't accept biologically predetermined minds have a decision making apparatus, and it's all been accounted for, already, for several billion years.

But most compatibilists do accept that things are pre determined, they just don't believe that negates free will.

>It's once again, philosophers, unable to easily let go the ego and linguistic sphere of their thought process.

This seems quite an extraordinary claim, compatibilism has been around for centuries, it pre-dates back to the stoics, it's not some sporadic desperate invention by philosophers in reaction to scientific consensus regarding determinism.

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cloake t1_j994hs0 wrote

> This seems quite an extraordinary claim, compatibilism has been around for centuries, it pre-dates back to the stoics, it's not some sporadic desperate invention by philosophers in reaction to scientific consensus regarding determinism.

Compatibilism is implying there exists a determinism without decision making capacity. Which never existed. It was an inadequate conceptualization that deserves no further time. We've always dealt with humans having colloquial "free will" and still continue to.

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Confident-Broccoli-5 t1_j99md0e wrote

>Compatibilism is implying there exists a determinism without decision making capacity.

But it's not implying that.

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cloake t1_j9dz4zb wrote

Sure it is, by having to make an extra term, implies it needed to be clarified.

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Confident-Broccoli-5 t1_j9e8e39 wrote

What extra term?

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cloake t1_j9fsyu7 wrote

Compatibilism!

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Confident-Broccoli-5 t1_j9fu168 wrote

To be honest I'm not sure what you're trying to argue, compatibilism just says free will is compatible with determinism, that is we can still act freely, make decisions etc regardless if the universe is deterministic. It's not clear to me what you mean by "extra term."

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cloake t1_j9fyjse wrote

Well okay, can anyone argue a sound incompatibalist viewpoint? That's as best as I can explain my perspective.

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