cloake t1_j9tvuh8 wrote on February 24, 2023 at 3:06 PM

I agree with the unrealist postmodern, clearly we are making best approximations of narrative realities. However I disagree with unrealisim anyway, we're just spoiled and distorted by being the dominant predator. When the wolves overcome the bunny population, do we say anything fundamental has shifted? No, the circumstances have certainly done so, but still the same game table, still the same rules. I understand the unrealist is stating we can't possibly really get "there," but can we really state that. That's why I fight so hard against human intuition, most people have no interest in teasing out what is expedience or self soothing and what is truthful and repeatable.

YouDownWithTPP t1_j9ul1rz wrote on February 24, 2023 at 5:48 PM

The first part of your sentence is confusing to me - you say “you disagree with unrealism anyway” after saying you agree with the unrealist postmodern. Can you rephrase? Because the rest of your comment is intriguing, just want to make sure I’m following correctly

cloake t1_j9yr90d wrote on February 25, 2023 at 3:39 PM

Sorry for the delay, it's way harder for me to articulate in a digestible way my instinctual reaction. Yea I suppose I'm sounding incoherent with that initial aside. It was mainly because I looked into more unrealism after this video and was like okay, this greater body of reference is not how I would view things. However his framing and argument in the piece I do agree with a lot of. I too appreciate how we're targeting a modelling of the world with our "closure." I too agree with something approximate to this subject-object relationship.

It's hard to articulate my feelings of my contradiction, the easiest layer is that nobody 100% shares the same perspective. But deeper, and why I think the "never attaining true conceptualizing of reality" aspect isn't the right approach, is that ultimately he's appealing to perfection as an enemy of good. There is like an undercurrent of shared reality that in a sense objectifies the emergent properties that human spends their limited attention on and not only that, the way we are molding our attention patterns are also undercurrent of some objective properties. And I think it's also I personally recognize I'm a hard ass about so called closure perspective, because in my field closure gets result.