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nothingexceptfor t1_j9xpfcw wrote

Reply to comment by AllanfromWales1 in The Job Market Apocalypse: We Must Democratize AI Now! by Otarih

The problem with the argument of "people will just do different jobs, better jobs" is that there won't be that many of those new jobs, as the goal is efficiency, only a very few will get to do these new jobs and inevitably those jobs will go soon too, faster than other jobs went before as the rate of innovation and efficiency accelerates with every iteration. Most people won't be doing better jobs but rather the jobs that AI cannot (yet) do, such as physical labour, but as soon as general use robots are a thing that's gone too, so something will have to be done with Humanity and the way we live our lives, and by the speed at which this is happening we might be seeing this events in our life time.

I didn't read this article but this is nothing new, I've been reading about this inevitable outcome for years, and I am very pessimistic about the future, or at least I feel very uncertain, the one thing I know is that we won't be doing the creative or office jobs we do today very soon, all from designers, composers, programmers, even actors, it all goes.

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AllanfromWales1 t1_j9xy217 wrote

"..very soon.." is an opinion. AI has been around a while already, but the signs of it taking over aren't there yet. Yes, it's improving and accelerating, but for now anything that's not repetitive and easily interfaced is not happening. There's still a huge gap between 'theoretically possible for AI' and 'cost-effective to implement for AI'. I'd be very surprised if the apocalypse you predict will happen in my lifetime.

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nothingexceptfor t1_j9y55iw wrote

I didn’t say apocalypse, as I said I’m not referencing the article, I’m not even taking about AI taking over or becoming sentient or any of that Sci-Fi nonsense of robots trying to kill us and taking over, I am talking about automation and endless efficiency and the effect it will have in the job and our current world in general (and eventually our own minds, I do believe this revolution will happen in our life time when a lot of people lose their jobs because a fraction of the same workforce can do the same job using these tools, that fraction of people is the ones who get these “new type of jobs” but those will also inevitably will go to.

People keep dismissing the impact of this because when the threats of AI are mentioned images of movies and bad robots immediately come to mind, instead of tools that essentially render a large and significant portion of the population redundant from the work force and when that happens the economical system itself collapses.

The cost effectiveness part of the equation is a matter of time, it is also not something that everyone needs, you just need one or two major service providers that provide these tools as a service to have a huge impact, you don’t need your own server farm or ai models to make use of this, just pay for the service which is a lot cheaper than a larger work force.

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AllanfromWales1 t1_j9y8p35 wrote

Sorry, by 'apocalypse' I meant loss of the workplace as the social norm, not some sci-fi nonsense. In my judgement the timescale for this exceeds my life expectancy quite significantly. That in part is mediated by the fact that I'm in my late sixties with various health conditions, but even without that I think the doomsday predictions are too premature.

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nothingexceptfor t1_j9yb9k3 wrote

Fair enough, I am in my early 40s but I still think that by the rate at which advances are coming in I will see this in my life time, maybe you too.

Thank you for your reply and engagement, have a nice day.

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oramirite t1_j9ykm57 wrote

Good interaction you two. I am in my late 30s and I also believe I will see some major fallout from AI use in my lifetime.personally. Good discussion and stay in good health both of you!

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LastAphrodesiac t1_j9zdz7t wrote

Some of us have already lost a decent chunk of our income and had our expensive degrees reduced to toilet paper :)

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AllanfromWales1 t1_j9zph43 wrote

What degree?

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LastAphrodesiac t1_j9zurnz wrote

I had a graphic design degree, I was making money by freelancing photo edits and website layouts, Wix destroyed my website business, and now a lot of the clients I was talking to for photo edits and designs have pulled out, to a degree I can no longer afford adobe

So ultimately there's no point in even complaining since even if I found a client I couldn't do anything regardless :) I'm probably done with life soon XD

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