Submitted by elimial t3_11i9heq in philosophy
innocuousEclair t1_jaxpfr1 wrote
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No, and I wouldn't be too eager to trust the British press on anything involving transgender people.
ghostxxhile t1_jaznuiw wrote
innocuousEclair t1_jazz077 wrote
Yes, even the Guardian. It was so bad there that at one point the Guardian in America said something.
ghostxxhile t1_jazzpyf wrote
The issue isn’t with Trans rights, it’s about private clinic contracted by the NHS handed out hormone treatment to children without thorough examination from the view of a senior consultant whose heads of Trust tried to silence. If there practice was so morally sound they would have allowed transparency in the report and wouldn’t have tried to shut him down.
This about consent of the child, not being pushed by doctors bankrolled by a public sector contract or pushy parents and be careful and being sure.
The somehow idea that this is against trans rights lack nuance. It isn’t a case of denying treatment, it’s about being damn sure that there isn’t any other underlying mental health issues that maybe spurring the dysphoria like autism, depression or other such things.
innocuousEclair t1_jb00e7r wrote
Stranger, I'm quite sure you aren't reading what I'm saying. I'm talking about bias in the British press. Getting some facts right while spinning them to paint transness in a negative light is still anti-trans. The problem with trans healthcare in the UK is not that too many kids were getting drugs, but that so few trans youth were being seen compared to the number of referrals. The wait lists for first assessments are astronomically high.
ghostxxhile t1_jb00vye wrote
Yes I have no doubt there are various publications presenting the closure of the Tavistock clinic as a means to promote anti-trans idealogy however the point in question, from what I understand is where the closure of Tavistock just and whether it’s practice was sound.
It’s a tragedy that Trans kids face these waiting lists but so is every other sector, including those with cancer, so it’s fundamentally how poor the NHS is being run that is the main problem.
innocuousEclair t1_jb05fww wrote
Its practice wasn't sound. There is no sound public healthcare option for trans people, let alone trans youth, in the UK.
ghostxxhile t1_jb0pxqf wrote
What is sound healthcare for trans youth then?
innocuousEclair t1_jb0rd5b wrote
ghostxxhile t1_jb0rfem wrote
thanks
InTheEndEntropyWins t1_jazuwzq wrote
Isn't this just what the right do, pretend any news they don't like is fake news?
innocuousEclair t1_jazxmm2 wrote
Feel free to dig into the issue and I'm sure you'll agree. There's nothing pretend about the anti-trans bias in the British press.
InTheEndEntropyWins t1_jazy2dp wrote
When they say stuff like the following, that sounds fairly unbiased and objective.
>The NHS gender identity service’s own data shows that 96 per cent of children
Also it's strange to treat all major press including far left media as having an anti-trans bias.
The words anti-trans and transphobic are just thrown around soo much that they have lost all meaning. So when you say that all British media are anti-trans, I have no idea if they actually are anti-trans or if they used some facts you don't like.
innocuousEclair t1_jazysy8 wrote
When I say there's an anti-trans bias in the British press, I don't mean they're using "facts I don't like", I mean that the British press is well-known by the trans community for sensationalizing, fear-mongering, and spinning stories to paint trans people in a negative light.
EstablishmentRude493 t1_jb0xoax wrote
Is your argument that other journalistic outlets reported on the supposed anti-transness of the british press?
e/ for clarity, I do not mean to imply that there is NO anti-trans bias. But I want to get a concrete engagement on the subject as a evidence/clue, not a corporate created algorithm.
innocuousEclair t1_jb0yd2o wrote
I am showing that it was bad enough that a media outlet's American branch felt it necessary to point out. I don't need any media company to report on anti-trans bias in the British press, I can read and see it for myself. If you can't see it after doing some reading for yourself, then you and I are not operating with a shared definition of what it means to have an anti-trans bias. There's nothing supposed about it. It's there in black and white.
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