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MyNameIsNonYaBizniz t1_iqqb4lb wrote

Utopia cannot exist because perfection is an imaginary human concept that will never occur in reality, man made or naturally.

Its like the concept of free will, no such thing. lol

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dreddllama t1_iqqmv7w wrote

Did you read the book though??

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MyNameIsNonYaBizniz t1_iqqtbfb wrote

What book? This thread is about the article describing the concept and history of utopia.

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sunflowercompass t1_iqrcctj wrote

Sir Thomas More coined the actual term for as the title of the book.

While Plato's Republic describes an utopian government(as in aspirational, perfect society) he did not use the word.

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tpx187 t1_iqqs1tp wrote

Elysium is a myth beyond the mountains are more mountains

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MyNameIsNonYaBizniz t1_iqqssnd wrote

"The tau that is knowable is not the eternal tau" - Lao Tzu.

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gdmzhlzhiv t1_iqr4z0n wrote

Lao Tzu already dropping mad facts about the circle constant.

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RPG_are_my_initials t1_iqreheb wrote

The first verse is actually the dao that can be spoken of, or the dao that can be written, or described, or other variations like that. The point is that it cannot be precisely expressed. That's different than inability to know or understand it.

By the way I'm not sure if you made a typo or you're making a Greek pun, but the old form of the word in english is tao not tau.

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MyNameIsNonYaBizniz t1_iqrxiwz wrote

You are very picky, go away you. lol

it means perfect knowledge is never perfect, always seek more knowledge, perfection is impossible. That's all we need to understand.

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iiioiia t1_ir1stcz wrote

> it means perfect knowledge is never perfect, always seek more knowledge, perfection is impossible.

Are you describing The Tao, or something else?

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iiioiia t1_ir1slvb wrote

> Utopia cannot exist because perfection is an imaginary human concept that will never occur in reality, man made or naturally.

utopia.equals(perfection) == true?

> Its like the concept of free will, no such thing. lol

It is not actually known whether humans have free will though.

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Double_Joseph t1_iqqou8l wrote

That is simply not true though. Life thrives in certain areas more then others. This would make it possible to have a utopia. Has nothing to do with perception.

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MyNameIsNonYaBizniz t1_iqqt1dv wrote

You do understand the definition of Utopia, right?

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Drwfyytrre t1_irlf8tv wrote

Don’t be pedantic

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MyNameIsNonYaBizniz t1_irlji2y wrote

Lol, really? You wanna redefine Utopia because its official definition is too "pedantic" for you?

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Drwfyytrre t1_irv5hd2 wrote

Obviously a perfect world is impossible, everyone that talks of Utopia knows that, but a greater world isn’t, which is that dudes point. Perfect is the enemy of the good. Crime will never go out completely in a world with billions, but it can be reduced to a rarity

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Double_Joseph t1_iqrrwp0 wrote

Yeah and it can still be possible. The universe is ever expanding and massive.

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Searbh t1_iqqwuos wrote

But the idea of a perfect society is what is impossible in an objective sense since the criteria for perfection varies from person to person.

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Double_Joseph t1_iqrrikq wrote

You are looking at perspective. Everyone has different idea. I am talking facts. It is possible to have an area that is perfect for making life thrive. Abundance of water, food, perfect climate. This would be considered a utopia. What are you all not understanding about this?

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Searbh t1_iqrucew wrote

A perfect society is not solely achieved by an abundance of resources.

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