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Good article.

I believe the answer to be the chicken egg. The very precise point of evolution where a life form became a chicken surely did not happen during a chickens lifetime, but when the chicken is being made - in the egg.

Therefore the egg containing the first chicken must have came first, if it was to be the chicken that came first then the evolutionary process of developing the chicken must have happened to the chicken while it was alive. This couldn’t have happened.

This is all due to my knowledge of evolution and reproduction. Which is incredibly close to absolute zero fyi.

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I always wondered about this as a kid. I also came to my conclusion that it must be the egg. (yes I read your whole article and know this is not your final conclusion.) However now I'll say it depends on if our universe and everything beyond is finite or infinite.

If 'The All/Everything' is infinite then I'd argue that they always both were present at the same time.

Thoughts?

Science, answering all those fun unanswerable philosophical questions since the 17th century. oooooh, they HATE that. This is going to have rage voting and banhammers abound. You've stepped right into the taboo topic of this place. See, philosophy is useless. It doesn't have any answers. It just makes questions. Which is a great thing to do and gets people thinking. It's a fun time. But the moment any of those questions can get answered, it leaves the realm of philosophical and enters reality, ie, the realm of science. Things like "What is man?" really got the ball rolling in ancient Greece, but once we learned about DNA, compatible code-bases, specification, and the horrifically nuanced details therein, philosophers had to move on to "what is a person?". And maybe we'll scoot them off that topic someday, but who knows.

Do "A tree falls in the forest" and Shrodinger's cat next.

Laying a chicken egg made whatever creature that did it into a chicken at the same time. So the answer: It was a tie.

So that article went a bit all over the place but this is a discussion I really like to kick around with.

1- everything starts first as an egg and wether we like it or not the egg is developed in a womb some are just ejected in a hard shelled egg that survived the birth canal and some a soft shell that is meant to be destroyed upon exiting.

2- evolution can't be ignored as an extremely long process that humans have tried everything within their power to speed up to provide ourselves with convenience. The sheer Variety of "chicken" we now have is a testimony to that.

3- Birds lay eggs and eggs are easy prey items for a human though it likely was more dangerous than it is now (with the exclusion of some breeds being un-trickable and viscously protective of their offspring that leaves them largely, off the table for us)

4-if we're to believe All life on earth evolved from single celled organisms and that nature allows us to Only breed with genetically similar counterparts then enforcing the ideal that evolution is a fast rather than slow process for a species as diverse as the chicken (or fowl) depending on how your able to divvy thing up goes against well established science with recorded proof of genetic engineering taking place to achieve New species of animals that take generations of modifications from the DNA collection of males and females that are compatible enough to allow for a new Catagory of breed to be developed in either a natural or artificial womb/egg.

In conclusion.... The eggs ALWAYS are first no matter the species of animal including the lesser life forms we typically refrain from giving an animal title to but agree to call a lifeform

https://youtu.be/vxhTDIUCPMM

Here I ask the question of which came first, the chicken or the egg. I look at it from 3 angles, a naïve one, one looking at definitions, and a semantic nihilist approach. I conclude that the question has no answer, due to the vagueness of the terms.