Submitted by BasketCase0024 t3_y8sp94 in philosophy
ConsciousLiterature t1_itfd0zy wrote
Reply to comment by Bodywithoutorgans18 in [Peter Harrison] Why religion is not going away and science will not destroy it by BasketCase0024
>Do you always pass such sweeping judgements so quickly, my lord?
Do you object to being judged by your words and actions? How else should I judge you?
>You know absolutely nothing about me beyond this very brief exchange in which I have been purposefully dismissive and avoidant of several of your questions.
I have based my opinion on this exchange. Everything is based on things you said.
>You started out the conversation with an immediately insulting tone, and yet I have still treated you with far more respect than you deserve.
You haven't treated me with any respect at all.
>I am Buddha for being able to deal with people like you. You must have a TON of friends lmfao.
I do have a ton of friends. None of them believe gravity and dark matter exist outside of the universe though and oddly enough none of them have demanded I tell them how gravity works.
>You have yet to provide a singular source that proves that they do.
Pick up any science book. Have you provided some evidence that they exist outside of this universe?
>What I love most is that they can never not respond.
Is that why you continue to respond?
>I was not a very nice person.
you are not a very nice person now.
Bodywithoutorgans18 t1_itfd9br wrote
>you are not a very nice person now.
But I try to be. I've treated you with a lot of respect, a lot more than is deserved, that is why I continue to respond.
>Do you object to being judged by your words and actions? How else should I judge you?
What gives you the inherent right to judge anyone? God.
>Pick up any science book. Have you provided some evidence that they exist outside of this universe?
My only argument here is that I personally find it odd that science always comes tantalizingly close to these answers. Like 98%. But never 100%.
ConsciousLiterature t1_itfgj72 wrote
>But I try to be.
I see no evidence of this.
>I've treated you with a lot of respect,
You haven't treated me with any respect at all.
>What gives you the inherent right to judge anyone? God.
There is no god.
>My only argument here is that I personally find it odd that science always comes tantalizingly close to these answers. Like 98%. But never 100%.
That's not an argument.
Can you prove gravity and dark matter exist outside of the universe?
Bodywithoutorgans18 t1_itfgvqi wrote
>I see no evidence of this.
I'm not interested in your opinion on this particular subject honestly. I am on the more general subject.
>You haven't treated me with any respect at all.
How much respect do you think you inherently deserve? I have certainly treated you with magnitudes more respect than you have me. Have I thrown an insult or two in? Yes.
>There is no god.
But you exist. You judge people like you are god. Why are you not the god of your own universe?
>Can you prove gravity and dark matter exist outside of the universe?
No.
ConsciousLiterature t1_itfh7qd wrote
>How much respect do you think you inherently deserve?
More than zero. You have given me no respect at all.
>Have I thrown an insult or two in? Yes.
Yes you have.
>But you exist.
This is true.
>You judge people like you are god.
There is no god. I judge people like I am a human being who judges people based on the things they say and do.
>Why are you not the god of your own universe?
I don't have a universe.
>No.
Then why do you believe such silly things?
Bodywithoutorgans18 t1_itfhmna wrote
>More than zero. You have given me no respect at all.
One trait of a narcissist is that they always approach the world in very black or white thinking. Only absolutes. What do you think about that?
>I judge people like I am a human being who judges people based on the things they say and do.
Would that be the role of god if they did exist?
>I don't have a universe.
Are you the god of yourself?
>Then why do you believe such silly things?
I think that your position is a further leap from where humanity stands with its current knowledge of the universe than mine is. I have my own hypothesis as to why it is the preferred stance.
ConsciousLiterature t1_itfhspy wrote
>One trait of a narcissist is that they always approach the world in very black or white thinking. Only absolutes. What do you think about that?
I think you know less about psychology than you know about physics.
>Would that be the role of god if they did exist?
No. Also god doesn't exist
>Are you the god of yourself?
no.
>I think that your position is a further leap from where humanity stands with its current knowledge of the universe than mine is.
Nonsense.
>I have my own hypothesis as to why it is the preferred stance.
What is that?
Bodywithoutorgans18 t1_itfi3n6 wrote
>I think you know less about psychology than you know about physics.
Why is this the question that makes you defensive? Do you not think you have exhibited a very clear pattern of narcissistic traits in this conversation?
>Nonsense.
No.
>What is that?
That people are narcissistic.
ConsciousLiterature t1_itfjtnd wrote
>Why is this the question that makes you defensive?
What makes you think I am defensive?
>Do you not think you have exhibited a very clear pattern of narcissistic traits in this conversation?
Not at all.
>That people are narcissistic.
You certainly seem to be. Maybe it's a trait common in religious people. After all if you think there is some omniscient omnipresent being that created the universe and you think this being actually cares about you, what you eat, who you have sex with and why, where you touch yourself on your own body etc that's pretty narcissistic.
Bodywithoutorgans18 t1_itfki7x wrote
>What makes you think I am defensive?
It's the only one you gave more than a one word answer to, and you answered with an insult.
What would you classify as narcissistic traits?
>and you think this being actually cares about you, what you eat, who you have sex with and why, where you touch yourself on your own body etc that's pretty narcissistic.
I don't think that at all.
>You certainly seem to be.
But not you? I can assure you I do not meet the clinical definition or anything close to it. I have a plethora of Psychologists who have said so. I got sued and paid for a couple of lawyers' and multiple psychologists vacations and kids' college funds. I do not question at all where I clinically lie on any of those scales. I wasn't always such a nice person.
ConsciousLiterature t1_itfm5tu wrote
>It's the only one you gave more than a one word answer to, and you answered with an insult.
I think I actually over estimated your analytical skills.
>I don't think that at all.
Do you eat pork? What does the Quran have to say about that?
>But not you?
no not me.
> I can assure you I do not meet the clinical definition or anything close to it.
How can I trust your assurances? You have demonstrated a severe lack of knowledge about anything scientific and what's worse a highly illogical mind.
>I have a plethora of Psychologists who have said so.
Do you now.
>I got sued and paid for a couple of lawyers' and multiple psychologists vacations and kids' college funds.
Uh huh. Sure you did.
>I wasn't always such a nice person.
you are not a nice person now.
Bodywithoutorgans18 t1_itfmh30 wrote
>I think I actually over estimated your analytical skills.
What would you classify as narcissistic tendencies?
>How can I trust your assurances?
I have no reason to lie to some dipshit on the internet who I am only interested in communicating with at a base level for my own scientific purposes.
>You have demonstrated a severe lack of knowledge about anything scientific and what's worse a highly illogical mind.
But I make more than you do. So, what's that tell you about society, or really the worth of your overall opinion on the subject?
>Uh huh. Sure you did.
See the two statements above.
>you are not a nice person now.
See the three statements above.
Bodywithoutorgans18 t1_itfe8ut wrote
Part of what I just said was a lie. I continue to respond because the overwhelming majority opinion among Psychologists is that you can never change a narcissist. Never in a meaningful way. I don't want that to be true inside for reasons that are my own. So, I experiment with that.
Personally, I am an empath. Doesn't mean I can't have narcissistic tendencies. Everyone does to some degree. I am not always a good person either as you have pointed out, but I try to be.
ConsciousLiterature t1_itfgdiu wrote
>Part of what I just said was a lie.
Doesn't surprise me at all.
>I continue to respond because the overwhelming majority opinion among Psychologists is that you can never change a narcissist.
Huh?
>I continue to respond because the overwhelming majority opinion among Psychologists is that you can never change a narcissist.
Another anti science stance I see.
>Personally, I am an empath.
I believe you believe that.
> Doesn't mean I can't have narcissistic tendencies.
Certainly not.
>I am not always a good person either as you have pointed out, but I try to be.
You are not trying hard enough.
Bodywithoutorgans18 t1_itfgmgm wrote
These are very sweeping judgements. You yourself exhibit the exact opposite of everything you just described me as, no? Do you ever actually reflect on that? Why do you think it is your job and or right to pass such sweeping judgements on people?
ConsciousLiterature t1_itfhbim wrote
>These are very sweeping judgements.
They are highly specific judgements.\
>You yourself exhibit the exact opposite of everything you just described me as, no?
No.
>Why do you think it is your job and or right to pass such sweeping judgements on people?
I don't think it's my job. I do however have the right to judge anybody I want. Do you think I shouldn't have this right?
Bodywithoutorgans18 t1_itfhuxn wrote
Who endowed you with this right?
ConsciousLiterature t1_itfi0m1 wrote
The constitution of the united states.
Bodywithoutorgans18 t1_itfi721 wrote
Where does it explicitly say that?
ConsciousLiterature t1_itfjmyn wrote
Freedom of speech.
Bodywithoutorgans18 t1_itfjugt wrote
Your freedom of speech ends at the point where it infringes on someone else though. Passing judgement on someone else can also be called libel, or slander.
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