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YoushaTheRose t1_iv336mm wrote

Reply to comment by FeelsCoolMan1 in The False Promise of Stoicism by DirtyOldPanties

Bro, stoicism is a simple tool for the everyday person to not lose their sanity. The extremely driven, smart, daring, somewhat crazy pioneers are too busy to think about stoicism. They are the extreme minority. They will do what they do best. Stoicism will most likely not resonate with them.

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FeelsCoolMan1 t1_iv33ldx wrote

Don’t you think that anyone can achieve something they thought to be impossible because they actually put their mind to it and didn’t go “oh well it’s too hard/ not in my control bether just deal with it”

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FeelsCoolMan1 t1_iv33oz5 wrote

then why was stoicism founded by driven and smart people if it doesn’t apply to them

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YoushaTheRose t1_iv3e7yi wrote

Smart philosophers, not cutting edge scientist trying do something impossible until possible. Different times, different kinds. Apples and pears. Stoicism logic is not meant for when you are trying to break through in your scientific field. Stoicism is not to hold down science. Stoicism is to keep your emotional outbursts in check and be a bit more sane, reasonable and calm. And I mean by stoicism the practical parts of stoicism. Not the fringe religious type stuff.

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FeelsCoolMan1 t1_iv55o7o wrote

Isn’t the whole point of stoicism how it’s relevant in modern and ancient society? Also you say this as though people are born as scientists and will always become them, albert einstein could have easily not been a scientist if he was a stoic at those lectures not question the things deemed ad obvious set truths and instead living in accordance to them

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YoushaTheRose t1_iv64stv wrote

  1. No, stoicism’s whole point is not relevance, it is to accept that which is truly out of your control like death. 2. People are born as needy babies. Not as a grown successful pioneer. And, DNA does not determine all. Effort and will determines a person greatness. A true great person would not let a doctrine such as stoicism stand in his way. Again stoicism doesn’t resonate with the freakish driven crazy achievers.
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FeelsCoolMan1 t1_iv6bjmk wrote

  1. my bad i should have been clearer , i should have said the reason it’s still talked about and used is because it’s incredibly timeless and still applies today 2. Maybe you are right, but i still think if i implemented stoicism in my life i would limit what i’m able to achieve but i can’t speak for anyone else
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YoushaTheRose t1_iv6evxu wrote

Yeah exactly that is the hard part about practicing stoicism, knowing where you can’t push or where you should push. But personally, I see it as this: for emotional angry interactions with others I use stoicism 100%, but for personal goals I dial it back to 60%.

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