Submitted by BernardJOrtcutt t3_zd7hlq in philosophy
ridgecoyote t1_izkfvfa wrote
Most arguments against free will are specious. They take “freedom” in its most absolutist sense and then attack it. There’s a very simple way to understand free will: Free Will equals consciousness. For instance, we deduce a rock has no free will because all it ever does is just sit there. Humans have more consciousness (free will)than rocks so a human can pick up the rock and skip it across a pond or carve it into a semi-conductor. The more mind you have, the more freedom to think about things and how to be. Freedom = mind. If you want to argue against the existence of mind, be my guest.
NukePlayo t1_izrstev wrote
free will in its most classical sense means "the possibility to have done otherwise". I may have a mind and consciousness, but I will have certain inclinations towards certain actions, based on my brain chemistry and as a reaction to other actions etc. to say that I could've done otherwise in the past would mean that the state of my mind or the circumstances would have had to be different, which is simply not possible and therefore I couldn't have done otherwise. it would be preposterous to say that a drug addict has control over his volition. in my opinion the best argument for free will/moral responsibility (that I know about) is that of the Frankfurt cases. these cases proposed by Harry Frankfurt are counterexamples to the Principle of Alternate Possibilities (PAP) which I personally think are quite strong. but this still does not try to prove free will in a classical libertarian sense because it still denies being able to have done otherwise. so I don't think we can reduce the concept of free will to having a conscious mind still might not have complete agency.
I don't know if this was very cogent or not sorry I'm not rly the most knowledgeable on this I only know a few things I've heard of so far
ridgecoyote t1_j037fxb wrote
Thank you for the classic definition. Can you agree with me that it immediately falls apart, as a definition? “The possibility to have done otherwise “ is way too frivolous as a philosophical statement. Possibilities are figments of the mind, acted upon to varying results. It’s impossible to define all the possibilities of a given phenomenon so we have to leave that out of the definition for sure. “Otherwise” is also problematic- another figment that we construct from experience.
Why we do things, isn’t because of chemistry. If you chose to, you will change your brain chemistry. Free will is a phenomenon of mind and the pieces and atoms of our selves are not mindful. It’s not that much of a mystery, unless you’re a reductionist mechanistic sort. Which seems to be the fashion around here, but if living in that metaphysical framework makes you happiest, by all means, go ahead.
Just don’t insist it’s the only one. Don’t absolutize your conceptual schemes, man.
LibraryImmediate3730 t1_izw2f61 wrote
I don't know very much about this kind of stuff but, free will could be argued rather about the existence of your mind, but the predetermination of all of your actions. There have been studies done that show when someone is faced with a choice your brain actually makes the decision prior to you actually commiting and thinking about it. This means that your "mind" makes the decision instead of "you", but what "you" are is an entirely different question. Also in your definition of freedom, couldn't animals be considered to be more free. A monkey for example, capable of doing anything it wants, me or you on the other hand cannot. At least without the threat of jailtime.
ridgecoyote t1_j03554w wrote
The problem again comes in with the attribution of absoluteness to a relative mind-set. Some thought is heavily conditioned- it is not very free. Other thinking is less conditioned , it’s more free. This value plainly exists, whether or not it exists in what is called “objectively “
Monkey thinking is a lot more conditioned than human thinking, but it’s much more flexible and adaptable than ant thinking.
Viewing a single comment thread. View all comments