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tcl33 t1_j11mi9z wrote

Reply to comment by jeffroddit in Anarchism at the End of the World: A defence of the instinct that won’t go away by Sventipluk

No, I’ve just seen nature shows.

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jeffroddit t1_j121yof wrote

You've never seen a nature show about clownfish and sea anemones? Mycorrhizas, nitrogen fixing bacteria, or pollinators? No cleaner fish, probiotics, or even just a coral reef?

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tcl33 t1_j129ter wrote

Ok. Saying nature is nothing BUT strength dominating weakness is slightly hyperbolic. But only slightly. My retort to the author survives.

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jeffroddit t1_j12oey7 wrote

And my examples were similarly exaggerated examples of symbiosis. But have you ever been in nature? What is trying to dominate you on even a semi regular basis?

I yelled at a bear once in 4 decades. Does that even count? Yes I carry spray and/or boomsticks for the .01% of the time you might really need to exert some power, but that's pretty much my point. Actual conflict is rare and brief. Think of bunnies. Do they occasionally get disappeared and decapitated by death on wings? Yup, 2 seconds of terror out of 86,000 seconds in their final day. Do they get spooked and run like bunnies from any imagined threat? Sure. And they still spend 99% of their lives asleep or hippity hopping along eating from nature's bounty.

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tcl33 t1_j1467ge wrote

Brutal inter-species dominance hierarchies pervade the natural world. E.g., the food chain. And brutal intra-species competition for resources and mates determines who eats, and who fucks.

The fact that I happen to be a human at the top of the food chain just makes me an exception that proves the rule. I dominate most of the rest of the natural world.

But even I don't dominate all of it. Bacteria are constantly attempting to dominate me and my fellow humans. And sometimes they win.

The author said that an anarchism without domination is natural. It is not.

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jeffroddit t1_j14vhwg wrote

I can see over a dozen animal species and hundreds of non-animal species at this very second. Guess how much brutality I see?

But by all means, keep anthropomorphizing nature and pretending you are better than people who do it slightly differently than you do.

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