Submitted by ADefiniteDescription t3_zue2zg in philosophy
Zanderax t1_j1lggw2 wrote
Reply to comment by panonius in From sexual union to the divine – the teachings of Ibn al-‘Arabi by ADefiniteDescription
You've made the incorrect assumption that the only measure of success for a relationship is reproduction. Relationships can be sucessful without children, I'm in multiple sucessful relationships, I have no children, and I'm sterile.
panonius t1_j1li3q2 wrote
Yeah, you could argue that a successful career need not involve money. However telling people they were wrong to assume that money is the expected reward sounds either dishonest or entitled.
Zanderax t1_j1lipcu wrote
Thats doubly wrong and a terrible example that further proves my point. Assuming money is what defines a sucessful career is also a really bad assumption. It actually might be a worse assumption than assuming a sucessful relationship is one where you have kids.
A sucessful career is one that is fulfilling, challenging, worthwhile, and makes a difference. Sure money is involved and its a primary motivation for some but its hardly the first thing people think of when they think about a sucessful career
panonius t1_j1lkz9f wrote
Mhm, and all that talk about being paid a livable wage is just people focusing on the wrong things in life right?
Zanderax t1_j1ll3w5 wrote
Notice how its a "living wage", i.e. a wage on which people can live while working and pursuing their career. The living wage is the bare minimum a job needs to pay to ensure the person doing it can continue living, its not a measure of success.
You're really bad at making arguments.
panonius t1_j1lm2y9 wrote
Nah, you are just arguing in bad faith. What you are defining is defined as subsistence wage. Living wage is defined as a minimum to live a basic but decent life. Also saying that money is not a measure of success anywhere in the western world is 100% bad faith.
Zanderax t1_j1lmgml wrote
Im not arguing in bad faith at all. Im pointing out the flaws in your arguments and you dont like it.
Reproduction is not the only measure of a sucessful relationship and for many its not a measure at all. Polyamorus relationships can be sucessful, some with children, some without children. As I said I personally have multiple sucessful relationships without children and I will never have children.
Additionally for same sex relationships naturally born children isn't possible and so clearly can't be the only measure of success.
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