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The59Sownd t1_j292osj wrote

Rising above our tribal instincts? I feel like we were moving in that direction, now we seem to be doubling down on these instincts.

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Zolomite44 t1_j296g4r wrote

Humans definitely have the "my team vs your team" mentality. Studies show that having a rival or hatred towards another group (political party, sports team, etc) it actually stimulates the same parts of the brain one would have when they achieve something purposeful in their lives.

So basically people have a slight feeling of fulfillment whenever they get to lash out or take jabs at their "opponent" so to speak. Kind of a wild phenomena, actually somewhat explains the hostility of the internet even since the 90s, we can feel satisfied telling our "enemies" they suck while never facing physical repercussions of getting punched in the mouth.

Also dig the username, Gaslight Anthem?

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The59Sownd t1_j298t3q wrote

Makes complete sense, and as you said, the invention of the internet has absolutely exposed this part of human nature, perhaps more than ever before.

You got it! New album next year. Super psyched!

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JugDogDaddy t1_j2bsrr2 wrote

Absolutely, we are hard wired to create in groups and out groups. It’s just herd mentality as part of being a mammal, so it’s a very old (on the evolutionary timeline) and deeply rooted part of being human. The sense of fulfillment really comes from feeling a part of a group that is better than another group in some way. Makes sense evolutionarily but it’s difficult to bypass in modern times when it’s no longer necessary to survive.

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VitriolicViolet t1_j2fo9vh wrote

>Humans definitely have the "my team vs your team" mentality. Studies show that having a rival or hatred towards another group (political party, sports team, etc) it actually stimulates the same parts of the brain one would have when they achieve something purposeful in their lives.

urgh i have noticed this.

try pointing out that on economic issues both parties in most western nations are near-identical (pro-corporate neo-liberals) and you see it immediately.

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Wedge38 t1_j2a547t wrote

It's the problem of scarcity IMO. The human brain isn't built to compute the scale of our world. We've built an economic model not designed to handle shocks to the system due to people over buying resources out of fear.

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The59Sownd t1_j2ben3k wrote

Our brains are designed to work effectively for 20,000 years ago. It has been unable to keep up with what we've created.

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Stokkolm t1_j2bgdin wrote

It's paradoxical how people look down on tribalism as some primitive mindset that we should get rid of, but at the same time they value highly democracy and freedom of opinion.

The whole point of democracy is that we can't have a sole political stance that everyone agrees on, it's inevitable that different groups will form each with it's own opinion on which is the optimal path forward for society.

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LinearOperator t1_j2bqxmr wrote

A fundamental idea in Democracy is that in any decision process, opposing viewpoints should be argued and the decision makers (voters) ultimately make their decisions based on the relative merits of the arguments as well as their personal interests and values. This isn't (necessarily) the same thing as tribalism. In tribalism, the decision process is short circuited so that arguments, value systems, and even one's own self-interest aren't taken into consideration. After a decision-maker has aligned themselves with a particular tribe, the arguments and relative merits of policies may no longer be looked at because they just care that whatever positions "their" tribe has made "win". In fact, they may not have any notion of how their tribe even came to their decision in the first place or any idea how that decision will ultimately effect them.

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dysfunctus t1_j2bz76z wrote

Very well stated and helpful contrast. This sentence is sooo good:

" In tribalism, the decision process is short circuited so that arguments, value systems, and even one's own self-interest aren't taken into consideration."

The price of tribal membership is steep indeed.

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coachfortner t1_j2bqkng wrote

Having differing political views does not mean that tribalism has a place in the government. Though I absolutely agree with the necessity of a plethora of viewpoints & societal practices to have a healthy democracy, that should not infer sociopathic partisanship has a role in those discussions. In the States, one particular sect (mostly, Republicans) believes denigrating your opposition while making wild and atrocious unsubstantiated claims is now normal behavior.

The fact this picture & this illustration exist while actively reflecting a significant portion of the electorate’s perspective of those they label “liberals” (US Democrats are not politically liberal with respect to European politics). When you consider a foreign government as corrupt & bereft of integrity as Putin’s Russian Federation to be better company than your own countrymen, you have passed the threshold of tolerance and factionalism.

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VitriolicViolet t1_j2foiwx wrote

>he whole point of democracy is that we can't have a sole political stance that everyone agrees on, it's inevitable that different groups will form each with it's own opinion on which is the optimal path forward for society.

tell that to people who support one of the majors.

from what ive seen Democracy seems to devolve into 2 barely different parties who do everything they can to prevent other parties from ever gaining power and their supporters are rabid and believe anyone who opposes their party is the enemy.

its why ive never had a 'side' none of them represent me or even close to it (i have no interest in social issues, want poverty eradicated by redistributing wealth via a return to keynesianism and the eventual replacement of the current capitalist model with something new not something as old as electricty. too bad none of those are a priority for anyone)

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Just-Call-7362 t1_j2bjrdr wrote

We now live in a world of endless technlogical miracles, and the result is greater amounts of the population retreating into magical conspiratorial thinking and religious delusion. Truly disappointing.

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wandering_white_hat t1_j29qgcl wrote

Sometimes things have to get worse before they get better. Hope that is the case now.

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