logan2043099 t1_j2p6jk4 wrote on January 2, 2023 at 11:57 PM

Reply to comment by coyote-1 in Teaching philosophy in a children’s prison has shown me the meaning of anger | The arguments against imprisoning children are well established, yet still we lock up those who have been failed by Va3Victis

What rehabilitation do you think is happening in prisons?

coyote-1 t1_j2ppgzf wrote on January 3, 2023 at 2:08 AM

None. But refer back to my “protecting society“ comment… if a 15 year old has demonstrated antisocial behavior that is clearly dangerous to others, along with an abject refusal to learn anything different, there has to be a point at which that 15 year old, at least in the present moment, has to be locked up to protect society. Dunno about you, but I’m not willing to sacrifice multiple lives in the slim hope of rehabbing that one life.

logan2043099 t1_j2proz6 wrote on January 3, 2023 at 2:22 AM

So fear then that's why you're okay with it. How many mass murdering teenagers do you think are locked up? You demand personal growth from these kids and then give them no chance at it by locking them up. Purely because you fear that they will commit more crime and have decided to write their entire life off as a failure because of it. You won't even give them the chance at rehabilitation since you admit that prison is not where you find it.

coyote-1 t1_j2pyf9l wrote on January 3, 2023 at 3:07 AM

Not ok with it. Just unclear on the possibilities here. I leave it to you to come up with an alternative that works, given what our society - and that includes you - is willing to devote in terms of human & financial resources.

rottentomatopi t1_j2q178m wrote on January 3, 2023 at 3:27 AM

The thing that is possible (because it has been done in other countries with success) is reform our prison system to actually BE rehabilitative. We already know how to make them so, but the prison industrial complex does not want that change to happen. Doesn’t mean we should give up fighting for reform now.