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Rychek_Four t1_j2tn9ug wrote

Reply to comment by monkeylogic42 in Look on the dark side | We must keep the flame of pessimism burning: it is a virtue for our deeply troubled times, when crude optimism is a vice by ADefiniteDescription

It's easy and low effort to just list problems. Anyone can do that. It's different to talk about things in the context of where they have been and where they are going. Maybe if you pick a specific issue and dig down you will see what I mean.

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monkeylogic42 t1_j2toakx wrote

Even easier to lie to yourself and assume things are going to just work out. I just asked you to clarify your specific issue you brought up, but check my comment history in the thread for more specifics and we can go from there if you wanna abandon your cancer cure argument.

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Rychek_Four t1_j2u1e6h wrote

Clarify != Gish gallop the entire supply chain. It’s a dishonest approach to problem solving.

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monkeylogic42 t1_j2ukazx wrote

Lol that you think it's a gishgallop when those are the direct challenges to your sunshine and rainbows cancer cure happy time.

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Rychek_Four t1_j2unkq8 wrote

Gish gallop is a criticism of your conversation technique, not your pessimism point.

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monkeylogic42 t1_j2uppg0 wrote

I know that's what you think it looks like, but no, all of those things are happening right now, simultaneously, while people sit here whining about being more optimistic. Our optimism fuels the fire without even thinking about it, but anyone saying stop or slow down, look at the results, gets labeled a pessimist. The idea that you change people's minds by giving them hope for a better future doesn't work. It would have already if that were the case. It's not. Optimism is profitable and easy to feed the masses.

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Old_Personality3136 t1_j2w34g9 wrote

Once again, he has provided real world evidence and examples to support his argument. You have not. You seem to be assuming that people are just going to go along with your blind optimism because the default in your mind is to just accept toxic positivity. Nope.

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Rychek_Four t1_j2wl7wa wrote

I’m suggesting that we cannot have civil discourse where we solve every issue of a complex problem on an Internet forum. We need to pick one topic, if he wants to drill down, and discuss it. Also he didn’t provide shit for evidence (neither did I). That wasn’t an issue in our discourse.

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