yungyakitz t1_j3r3zhv wrote
Cool read but I think saying "One ugly bad guy who wants to basically get rid of the bad guys" in reference to Thanos is kind of... weird.
Does that mean that, in the view of the author, the indiscriminately killed people from the snap were bad guys because of Thanos' concept of thinning the heard? like them simply existing and consuming resources made them bad?
Huge difference between removing 'bad people', as mentioned earlier in the article, and removing a random number of people for a perceived greater good.
durntaur t1_j3r7ax0 wrote
That's just one of the wrong suppositions. Thanos's snap was completely random and indiscriminate, "perfectly balanced, as all things should be." He was enacting at the cosmic level what he was doing world by world, dividing into two groups, the living and the dead.
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ryriryan t1_j3ss6az wrote
It wasn’t completely random because he wanted to spare Tony
durntaur t1_j3swt7c wrote
Wait, I missed that in Infinity War or you're incorrect.
When Stark and Thanos have their final conversation he states "I hope they remember you". This was a criticism of Stark's (and the Avengers) attempt stop inevitability (or destiny) which Thanos believed he embodied. It was a statement that Thanos believed that all survivors of The Snap would remember Stark's futility.
Just as Thanos is about to then deliver a coup de grâce Dr. Strange barters the Time Stone under the condition that Thanos doesn't outright kill him. This is not the same as excluding Stark from The Snap. For all Thanos knew, Stark had a 50% chance of being dusted anyway. Dr. Strange, on the other hand, had the benefit of knowing that Stark was destined to survive The Snap.
There is nothing indicating that Thanos made any exceptions in the The Snap. Indeed, it would be antithetical for him to make any exception when his whole schtick was balance.
I'm open to correction in this regard if there is some evidence contained within the films that prove an exception.
baileyjn8 OP t1_j3v28t0 wrote
Interesting, as the Messiah said “I hope they remember you” when Satan fell.
durntaur t1_j3v5bdj wrote
What's your source of that quote? What would the context be?
baileyjn8 OP t1_j3v5pr5 wrote
I can’t name the source. Incommunicable personal experience. Disregard it if you want. And it’s not a word for word quote. A different language was used and the concept of hope was understood with more depth than Thanos was referring to. It may have been more of a “I know that you will be remembered” or “the purpose of your destruction is to be remembered.”
But you’re right. I’m sorry, but I cannot source this for you, so feel free to disregard.
walker3342 t1_j3sumie wrote
True, but the difference between half of all life in the universe and half of all life in the universe minus one life is basically half the life in the universe.
baileyjn8 OP t1_j3v22eb wrote
I didn’t say Thanos thought it was indiscriminate. I said it was portrayed as being indiscriminate. I did add your quote of Thanos to the essay, though, to clarify that Thanos certainly thought it was not indiscriminate.
durntaur t1_j3v4ab6 wrote
Let's clarify positions:
- Your position is that Thanos wasn't indiscriminate.
- u/yungyakitz was arguing that your claim that Thanos only killed bads guys, thus not being indiscriminate, is not supported by the source material. That is, he was indiscriminate with The Snap, "good" and "bad" people were dusted alike.
- My reply is an acknowledgement of agreement with u/yungyakitz, i.e. the supposition that Thanos was not discriminate, as present in your treatment, is wrong. I then elaborate that being indiscriminate (with regard to The Snap) would be critical to Thanos by virtue of his pathology.
I appreciate your most recent clarification of your position, but I stand by the position that The Snap was indiscriminate by necessity.
baileyjn8 OP t1_j3v4mw6 wrote
I don’t take a position on Thanos here. One difference between Thanos and the Messiah is that Thanos is not the representation of an omniscient God. All I say is that Thanos thinks he is helping out, but his snap is portrayed by the filmmakers as being indiscriminate, and therefore mass murder.
Marvel assumes atheism here. It’s an atheistic movie designed to appeal to atheists, and from that perspective Thanos makes a pretty decent bad guy.
But as I mention in the essay, Messiah will come and some people are gonna get killed. But in that context, they’re only going to get killed on this earth. And as for the ultimate fate of all beings, only the truly evil will be gotten rid of. And TBH, I have a theory that the evil ones may leave reality voluntarily. Exercising their free will.
This will happen around the year 3,000. Hence, “I love you 3,000.”
Satan will have three choices.
1 - kneel before the king. 2 - go back into the void. 3 - merge with infinity.
I think he will choose to merge with infinity and be gone.
And, we will remember what he did when he was here, and we will freely choose not to walk in his footsteps.
WrongAspects t1_j3v6nzp wrote
Thanos removed half of everything though. He also removed half of all animal and plant resources. It was an idiotic concept.
EducatorBig6648 t1_j42w2yk wrote
I don't think the Snap affected much non-sapient animals and plants. When The Blip happens there's no mention of (what used to be) 50% of the animals and plants reappearing all over Earth.
WrongAspects t1_j455yv7 wrote
In the movie it shows animals and plants being eliminated
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