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EducatorBig6648 t1_j6c4jwr wrote

@jankram >I argue that consciousness is the only validator possible, since it's probably v a validator by definition, think of it as, something doesn't exist until it's validated by a consciousness, and when it does, it only exist to that consciousness.

But that argument I have already discounted elsewhere; Even a single consciousness existing proves that at least six other things exist as well. The five I remember are patterns, consequences, meaning and the truth (i.e. what is reality and what is non-reality/illusion/fiction/deception) and concepts.

None of these five exist only to the single consciousness.

>In other words if (and if it's possible) a consciousness dies the universe which it validated dies.

I do not see what you mean by this. Let's say you are real and I am just an illusion and pretty much everything around you (matter etc.) is an illusion. What is death? With none of the five things I mention above, how would death have any existence? Death would be a change of state, how can you have that when you have no patterns and meaning and the truth and consequences as these are all involved in another state even being a potential? And without the existence of concepts what were you conscious of before death? If your existence involved having no concept of anything, how were you a consciousness?

>I think you are saying something exists to the extent of it's relation to other things since that's what a pattern is, but I argue, says who?

That is a very strange notion of what a pattern is, focusing on a "middle dot" like that. Kindly elaborate on that for me.

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