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Maddest_Hatta t1_jdetuin wrote
Yeah, those people don't know shit about the regime that flag represents. I hate it when westerners romantisize communism.
Cardellini_Updates t1_jdewblo wrote
Man I wonder if there is any historical precedent or major wars that would make French people particularly receptive to communist ideas. It would be a real shame if that was directly tied to a revolutionary tradition that actually begins in France. It would be even worse if those communists were associated with the objectively progressive act of pulling the rug out from French colonial projects
Maddest_Hatta t1_jdeyms5 wrote
The flag that the dude is waving has nothing to do with the 2 months of "communism" that France had. If it was a plain red flag, you could've had some argument there. But waving a symbol of an oppressive regime that has taken the lives of millions is not something anybody should support, don't you agree? There's a reason why the USSR fell apart. It was a red apple with a rotten core.
rhalf t1_jdf1jnl wrote
"There is a reason why US is falling apart. It's a capitalist apple with a rotten core".
Cardellini_Updates t1_jdf1uo4 wrote
We will get back on track once we are able to reign in the banks and drive out all the petty fiefdoms that amount to Americans cutting off one another's kneecaps.
Maddest_Hatta t1_jdgwbub wrote
Where did I mentions US? Where in the picture do you see their flag?
Cardellini_Updates t1_jdf0u99 wrote
The Soviet Union saved the lives of countless French people in freeing them of the Vichy puppet regime and the holocaust.
>There's a reason why the USSR fell apart.
And communists must learn form this and have been learning from this. It was a inevitable for the sclerosis of Soviet society, but still an extreme tragedy. Nobody can look at the Post-Soviet situation as a whole and call it success story with a straight face, especially when compared against the route that China was able to take.
>But waving a symbol of an oppressive regime that has taken the lives of millions is not something anybody should support, don't you agree?
I'm a patriot, American, and my own country has also taken the lives of millions, but I don't admonish people for having a connection to our flag that is still meaningful for us in our own context and life. The communist flag, flags, have a meaningful history woven into the liberty of the French people. It's part of their patriotic tradition.
When you have crimes in your past you take responsibility for them and overcome them, that doesn't require a fundamental break with it being our history and our past. But that's not even how I would fundamentally characterize the sum history of Official Communism™, which has been and continues to be a success.
>The flag that the dude is waving has nothing to do with the 2 months of "communism" that France had. [the Paris Commune]
It has everything to do with it.
Walking_billboard t1_jdf5e9p wrote
So your basic theory is if you remove everything that the flag symbolizes then its fine? Sounds like the same thing the people waving the rebel flag would say.
Its the literal symbol of the murderous regime.
And, for the record, the US never murdered millions of people. We have crimes-a-plenty (looking at you S. America) but don't conflate them.
Cardellini_Updates t1_jdf6tln wrote
>And, for the record, the US never murdered millions of people.
This is such a laughably absurd lie, what the fuck? What the actual fuck is wrong with you people?
Millions dead in Vietnam. Millions dead in the "War on Terror" across the Middle East. God knows how many millions dead on account of our colonial history - Chattel Slavery and the expulsion of the peoples here before us. Objectively, you're an ignorant person - don't try to play a cutsie little numbers game when our closet is drenched in blood.
The East turned around under the communists and did in decades what took centuries for the West. And yeah, bursting out of thousands of years of subsistence farming into industrial modernity is not fun, but you are only correct on one thing - that there is no conflation, they crossed the bridge far more humanely, and it's not even fucking close. That's what it symbolizes.
JordanJP t1_jdg9n74 wrote
"did in decades what took centuries for the west" idk man it's almost like they had a whole ass history of what not to do that other people tried first. Now they don't even have to do that, they just steal intellectual property and other stuff via putting malware on electronics before they even get shipped.
"bursting out of thousands of years of subsistence farming into industrial modernity" was that before or after China decided to try and get rid of sparrows and ended up causing a famine that killed 15 million people by the lowest estimate?
"crossed the bridge far more humanely" remember when they executed clearly well educated individuals like yourselves because they thought anyone more educated than a farmer would eventually become subversive? Or was it by the CCP's own estimated 2 million killed and 7 million disabled in the Cultural Revolution? or deciding to oppress Uyghurs and put them in camps?
Honestly you sound like someone who would be arguing your case all the way up to being executed and kicked into a ditch by Red Guards for being a member of the educated bourgoisie.
Cardellini_Updates t1_jdgfy5j wrote
10 million - Genocide in the Congo
Over 3 Million Vietnamese dead expelling French & American colonizers
Irish Potato Famine 1 million dead.
15 Million Dead from pointless inter-imperialist Conflict of WW1
12 Million African slaves trafficked in Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade
1 Million dead from immediate conflict against "Terror" in Iraq alone.
56 Million dead - Settling of the Americas
100 million - Colonial enslavement of India
???? millions - General rape of Africa
Black Hole calls the kettle black.
Maddest_Hatta t1_jdgvzdt wrote
Would it be OK if I start waving the National Socialist Party flag if I say "yeah but now nazis have learned from past mistakes and won't kill people from other races"? There is 0 reasons for French people nowadays to wave the USSR flag. If they have ideas how to use communism in a better way, they should come up with a different flag.
I'm very happy for you Americans that you've learned from your mistakes in history.. but the USSR never did. For the countries in Eastern Europe it was 40 years of oppression. Four decades of hunger, labour camps, ethnic cleansings and brainwashing. So forgive me if the sight of that flag makes my blood boil just as much as when I see a nazi flag.
Cardellini_Updates t1_jdhvqgk wrote
No.
https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory
Nazi ideology was premised on an economic gamble to genocide 10s of millions of people - a war economy for looting and raping, primarily, "subhuman" Slavic peoples and land in the Soviet Union. There is no realistic comparison to be made, Nazis started the Holocaust, Communists ended it, it's just that simple. The Nazis brought a puppet regime to France to kill and slaughter disabled and jews, the Soviets drove those looters and jew-gassers and bandit piracy into the dustbin of history. Simple, simple, simple. There is nothing in that to be redeemed, all successful things they did (e.g. infrastructure) were mere investments to genocidal ends. Nazism has no accomplishments - no positive contribution to mankind - no complicated history - no respectable striving - it lived for the thrill of death itself and was rightly put down like rabid dogs, for which tens of millions more would have died if not for the rapid industrialization taken in the Soviet Union under Fucking Papa Joe Stalin and the heroism of the Red Army resisting Nazism's degenerate rabid inhuman plans.
The Soviets brought the first man into space. America put a man on the Moon. The Nazis made pillows from the human hair of jews. Simple. The Soviets made a strong country, and Marxism Leninism continues marching on across the world to this day. Nazism turned a country into rubble in little over a decade, with nothing to show for it but pain. Simple.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost
>So forgive me if the sight of that flag makes my blood boil just as much as when I see a nazi flag
Forgive me if I'm not sympathetic to liberal nonsense and a practical form of Nazi rehabilitation. You make my own blood boil.
Maddest_Hatta t1_jdi9oie wrote
I never said that I supported nazis. Clearly you didn't get what I was saying. It is also clear to me that you are not aware of the ethnic cleansings that "Papa Fucking Joe Stalin" did. In fact, you have absolutely no clue how the regime was operating its states back then. There was absolutely no freedom in any sense of the word. You want to go on vacation in another country on the other side of the iron curtain? Nope. You want to leave the country? Nope. You'll be shot as soon as you try to cross the border and escape. Election day comes. Guess how many options you have to vote. That's right! Only one - the communist party. And even though you have only one option and the vote doesn't matter, it's mandatory for you to go and "vote". A western tourist became your friend and gave you a walkman as a gift? Militia is confiscating it and you're brought in for questioning. How come you have something that is not sold in your country? You shouldn't have that. You shouldn't be listening to western music. This means you're planning to escape. Your whole family is now put on a watchlist. You have a relative who managed to escape to a western country? You're blacklisted. You can't study what you want. You can't have certain jobs. Best you can work as a low level factory worker. And that's if you're lucky and if the relative who escaped is not that close to you. Otherwise you go to a labour camp so you can learn to love the regime and die in the process. You invested your life savings and everything you had to build a factory or a small production facility? You get a call that you need to be interviewed by the police and when you go there you disappear. Factory/business becomes "state owned", your family is blacklisted and their house and everything inside is taken away.
Don't tell me how much "good" that regime brought. My family lived through it. The communist parties in each country in Eastern Europe were just as bad as the nazis. Stalin was sending ethnicities he deemed "unworthy" to remote labour camps and worked them to death. He was just as mad as Adolph. And I won't even start with his "wonderful" troops in the Red Army and how they acted. Same animals as the nazis.
Cardellini_Updates t1_jdic0ln wrote
I understand perfectly well what you are saying. Objectively it is rehabilitating Nazism. There's no way around that.
E.g.
>The communist parties in each country in Eastern Europe were just as bad as the nazis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_genocide_theory
Communists do not make pillows out of hair of jews. If you think these parties are equivalent you should be accused of Holocaust denialism or at minimum holocaust obfuscation, it's simple Nazi apologism and it contributes to a real ongoing project in Europe to rehabilitate Nazi collaboration. To say that the Red Army is the same animals as Jew-Gassers is absolutely a sign of relative Nazi sympathy, because at that point, hey, maybe your country's historic freedom fighters chucked some jews in an oven and enabled some of the most atrocious crimes of the 20th century, but it was all for National Liberation, right?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgaria_during_World_War_II
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost
It's inhuman, it's not respectable or aligned with reality in a meaningful sense. There are simple facts of history - France was under the thumb of Nazism, 80% of Nazi soldiers died on the Eastern Front, and thus the bulk of responsibility for freeing France falls to the Soviets. Simple!
And further, you know very fucking well there is no unified opinion of the Soviet era, or if you don't, it's amazing how you have been lied to. 45% of Georgians still approve of Stalin. 70% of Russians. 79% of Armenians say the dissolution of the Soviet Union was harmful. 61% of Kyrgyz, and 56% of Tajikistanis agree. A third of Bulgarians approve of communism to at least some extent. All of this data is pulled from Pew, Gallup, etc. You're not being honest on how divisive this legacy this is, there are millions of people with just as much if not more "lived experience" than you who nonetheless still give a net positive appraisal as I do.
You shotgun out a mix of real issues, myopic slander, and nonsensical bourgeois liberal gibberish. But for the real issues - you'll notice at no single point have I actually denied that there were problems - there are many issues, there are aspects not worth defending, there is a reason it's not still around and that can't be attributed to malice or personal failings - those are why I support the turn China has made, they were correct during the Sino-Soviet split, history has proven them correct by making them the last major ML State standing, they continue to be ascendent and that is why they are the target of so much smear and fear.
northernCRICKET t1_jdhh1u4 wrote
This is some revisionist history. France was liberated by the allies, not the Soviet Union. Countries "liberated" by the Soviet Union were subsequently imprisoned behind the iron curtain by their so called saviours. There's a reason that ex Soviet countries like Poland, Ukraine and the Baltic states do not trust Russia, the Soviet Union or anything to do with their legacy of antiintellectualism, famine and oppression.
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hazie t1_jdg7rb6 wrote
I've seen some bad arguments for communism (all of them, basically), but this is a new and particularly ridiculous one.
Was going to say the worst but honestly it's not even close.
Creative_Elk_4712 t1_jdfn8f9 wrote
It’s not that they “romanticize communism”. It means and it has been a different thing politically here than what it’s connected to in your country. Respect the differences
Maddest_Hatta t1_jdgwi32 wrote
I feel like I've wrotten this 10 times now but the flag in the picture is of USSR. The meaning of it doesn't magically change because it's waved during a protest in France.
Creative_Elk_4712 t1_jdiisme wrote
I got it but if you look at flags of communist parties in Western Europe..also Communist symbolism is really simple, red, h&s, a star, some other agrarian and factory and symbols
nagylab t1_jdf16l8 wrote
So true!
rhalf t1_jdf17tk wrote
A lot of what the west accomplished was built using revolutionary and communist ideology, so I'm not surprised people romanticize it. Soviet Union's and China's Marxism-Leninism is probably what you mean when you say "communism".
lil-rong69 t1_jdg83w7 wrote
Nah, I’m thinking pol pot style where they got rid of all currency. Genius. Must be a communist utopia there. might visit soon to learn a thing or two.
Maddest_Hatta t1_jdgw6es wrote
Since the guy is waving the USSR flag, I think it was implied that I was talking about that "flavour" of communism.
Hermanas_ t1_jdeedqk wrote
Is that a communist flag?
Lorshank t1_jdfba5h wrote
You think he'd be upset to learn about how peasants were killed in that flags history?
CalvinsHair t1_jdfo40i wrote
more peasants died before the ussr was founded. the ussr had flaws but was better for the average person than under the tzar
UngruntledAussie t1_jdgddwp wrote
Hahahahahahaha good one.
You’re right, everyone loved Stalin. The gulags were such a nice spot for the people to relax and enjoy controlling the means of production.
CalvinsHair t1_jdgen2x wrote
gulags we’re prisons. why should they be a nice place for criminals?
UngruntledAussie t1_jdgevdq wrote
Criminals as subjectively determined by the leadership of a nation led by a system, which exterminated resistance and abolished freedom. That you’re defending that system, which leveraged hunger as an extermination tool is abhorrent.
rdwarz OP t1_jdkskuc wrote
the thing is, ussr had a really strange definition of what was a "criminal" and many of them were arguably innocent people
CalvinsHair t1_jdl0wpp wrote
yeah that’s true. good thing in america criminals are guilty based off of skin tone
rdwarz OP t1_jdm273c wrote
when did I said it's better in america?
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Aggressive_Spread974 t1_jdfc71h wrote
I am not even a communist and I find your comment to be stupid as fuck. Capitalism is causing the death of many people today.
Lorshank t1_jdfdp7b wrote
I'm just saying it's not all sunshine and rainbows. It was run by humans afterall.
Anarcomrade t1_jdfkkyk wrote
What a useless observation.
Lorshank t1_jdfncgk wrote
Let me clarify my message for you then. I disagree with idolizing a system of government that killed millions of it's own people. It's the USSR's link to socialism that makes it so easy for north american politicians to prevent socialism from coming back. Stop linking them together. You can be a socialist and not be a communist.
Mr_Throw_Throw_ t1_jdgbx1u wrote
It’s easy to blame capitalism. But the truth is it’s just people. It doesn’t matter what economic system we put in place. Bad people will always try to rig the system, put themselves on top, and leave the rest to starve and die.
Aggressive_Spread974 t1_jdie7o8 wrote
Yes exactly my point. It's easy to blame communism for the death of people, but under each economic system there have been many deaths.
Mr_Throw_Throw_ t1_jdiewtq wrote
No it isn’t. You blamed capitalism . The guy you replied was blaming communism. You’re both the same just blaming different systems instead of focusing in the real issue
Aggressive_Spread974 t1_jdifdcf wrote
I am a capitalist, I was just pointing out that under capitalism today, people are dying.
Mr_Throw_Throw_ t1_jdiqhau wrote
>I am not even a communist and I find your comment to be stupid as fuck. Capitalism is causing the death of many people today.”
Capitalism did it. That is what you said. Why are you pretending you didn’t say that?
rw_gfys t1_jdfrbgh wrote
No, thats a doormat on a stick.
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_Nevin t1_jdf1dux wrote
Hahaha yeah, I’m sure the solution to your problem is communism. Go ahead give that a try and let me know how it goes
atomboy45 t1_jdfenwg wrote
Yeah I’m very confused as to why he’s carrying a Soviet Union flag.
Dimplestrabe t1_jdfx068 wrote
Communism works.
It just needs to work in a vacuu...
Yeh. I don't have a fuckin' clue what I'm saying.
hazie t1_jdg7w2l wrote
If it works in a vacuum, was President Hoover a communist?
Volfie t1_jddvlj4 wrote
Do you hear the people sing
Brunt-FCA-285 t1_jdekrc0 wrote
Singing the song of angry men?
Armed_Psycho t1_jdf7ffk wrote
Is it the music of a people who will not be slaves again?
Speedlimate t1_jdevdwz wrote
You know it's bad when the French start waving flags that aren't white
green_griffon t1_jdfwv4s wrote
Ah come on "Les Mis" is pretty good.
savage_pooh t1_jddtm7m wrote
Are there alternative solutions to the eventual collapse of the retirement system? If they don’t do something, France will be just like Greece soon.
Cookie-Senpai t1_jdebvjn wrote
Yes. The protest is because Macron didn't go for the alternative reforms.
savage_pooh t1_jdendms wrote
Which alternatives?
jnemesh t1_jdetpuy wrote
Tax the rich, maybe? Just a thought...
easant-Role-3170Pl t1_jdf8gjp wrote
Lol. The rich are either leaving France or have head offices outside of France so they don't have to pay such high taxes. Good luck with that. If a country has too much taxes, the first thing the rich do is look for places to not pay the big taxes outside of that country
jnemesh t1_jdi7lky wrote
Let them leave then. Let them lose their French (and EU) citizenship as well. If they want the benefits of belonging to a civilized society, then they need to help fund it. PERIOD.
offshore1100 t1_jdfshh7 wrote
Why is the solution always "the rich will pay for it"
jnemesh t1_jdi339b wrote
Um, because the rich haven't been paying their fair share for going on 40-50 years now? Or haven't you been paying attention?
I am not talking about you...unless you are making $300,000/yr or more. I have no idea why the poor constantly defend the rich...
offshore1100 t1_jdilynk wrote
> because the rich haven't been paying their fair share for going on 40-50 years now?
source?
jnemesh t1_jdvr36j wrote
offshore1100 t1_jdvr9un wrote
None of that has anything to do with my point. In order for that to matter you'd have to be making the point that taxation should prevent people from gaining wealth. Are you making that point? Federal receipts in relation to GDP have stayed pretty steady over the years.
Cookie-Senpai t1_jdenpnu wrote
Read up on the subject if you really want to know, I see that you already have preconceived ideas. Raise top marginal taxe rate is one option which has broad support in France among many others
savage_pooh t1_jdeylyt wrote
You can read a lot into two words. I know of many options. I’m curious about what those closer to the matter see as alternative solutions.
Cookie-Senpai t1_jdf57rd wrote
Top marginal tax rate increase, windfall taxes on exceptional profit (Highway companies and fuel companies made big profit headlines), increase of minimal wage, increase in company-side social taxes etc.
Basically many ways to not make the workers face the brunt of the cost.
easant-Role-3170Pl t1_jdf8oer wrote
Oh no, the companies make a lot of money, urgently take it away and divide it
symolan t1_jdgzj4k wrote
The marginal tax rate can amount to 48%. How high do you believe should it be?
jnemesh t1_jdetsli wrote
Are there alternatives to having a popular uprising that burns the current government to the ground?
Cardellini_Updates t1_jdeylvp wrote
Advance of the productive forces. We can make far more stuff now per hour of time than when our parents were alive. Anyone saying the retirement age must increase as we also live longer is just disconnected from their own humanity, duped or malicious.
Ambitious-Cup-6305 t1_jdlpgtz wrote
in my opinion, the only adequate comment in this thread. Unfortunately, people have no idea about the real theory of communism.
rdwarz OP t1_jdduulv wrote
>Are there alternative solutions to the eventual collapse of the retirement system?
idk I protest because Macron is globally a bad president not specifically because of the raising of the retirement age
volneyave t1_jder3et wrote
Work till your 67? That's what I'm doing over here in America.
postedUpOnTheBlock t1_jdethep wrote
Is there no focus? Hear me out, I’m not bashing you, but what is the point of protesting if the person next to you doesn’t even know you’re not even focused on the same thing? At that point you just become a big crowd making noise.
rdwarz OP t1_jdeuyqo wrote
We all agree that we are tired of his bullshit and that either he starts listening to us or he quits, and even if we are not focused on the same thing, being a big noisy crowd is still useful because he has to understand that we are not going to let him do what he wants without protest
postedUpOnTheBlock t1_jdewgq3 wrote
Right, welcome to nearly every persons mind that has an elected government running their country.
If you don’t have a focus on the bs you’re sick of, the next SOB that comes in is going to pick up where they left off. A flashlight is just going to illuminate the person everyone already knows you’re angry with, but a powerful laser will burn the warts away.
Machiavelli1480 t1_jddw11w wrote
So you are in favor of increasing the retirement age to the proposed age?
rdwarz OP t1_jddw9w1 wrote
that's not what I said
Machiavelli1480 t1_jddww0q wrote
Fair enough, but pretty much everyone agrees it will be insolvent if the current course is maintained.
Hugeclick t1_jddxi5l wrote
Don't worry, they have money. They will find money. And i won't work until i'm 64. Fuck this shit.
Machiavelli1480 t1_jdef35x wrote
If you are from my generation, i hope you have the foresight to realize that by the time you retire, social security wont be what it is for todays retiree's. I'm american, and expecting nothing from social security, invest accordingly. If something is insolvent, its insolvent, rioting wont make more money appear. France wont be able to exploit africa forever, even though im sure they will try.
NoMooseSoup4You t1_jdeje6c wrote
You’ll have social security, it won’t be as much as current retirees, but you’ll have it. It also should not be your retirement plan. It should be a part of your retirement strategy. Social security was never meant to be a retirement plan for Americans. It’s purpose has really always been an assistance program to ensure adequate basic needs for retirees. You’re not retiring to a golf course in Florida on social security.
Machiavelli1480 t1_jdejplp wrote
Obviously, but i think a smart person would look at SS as a bonus, but shouldnt expect it, especially if you are under 40.
NoMooseSoup4You t1_jdek3ip wrote
I wouldn’t say “obviously”. Many people are very irresponsible when it comes to retirement planning and think social security is this pension gold mine designed to give retirees plenty of money to live comfortably.
Machiavelli1480 t1_jdekkek wrote
Well in the context of our conversation, i feel like we both made it obvious that expecting ss to cover the majority of living expenses for 15-20 years was a rather absurd. I'm sure there are people that think that, but they will be in for a rude awakening if that doesn't change. Compound that with inflation, it can make a poorly planned retirement miserable.
NoMooseSoup4You t1_jdelhka wrote
Yeah, many people won’t be able to retire, unfortunately. We live longer and are having less children. Not a great combination for comfortable retirement plans.
Flodo_McFloodiloo t1_jde7e72 wrote
Beneath the sweater, he probably is wearing a "Robespierre was right" t-shirt.
papachan t1_jde7ggz wrote
Nothing to see here. Circulez.
ilporcini t1_jdet1mn wrote
No my dude, communism is not the answer
(I know next to nothing about this story, just commenting on the pic.)
McPresh t1_jdf9ni1 wrote
The fucking communist flag lmaoooooo.
Cold-Fuel4701 t1_jddqs31 wrote
This was about raising the age of retirement right?
ivan_alekseichuk t1_jddrq5o wrote
A useful idiot as is. Upd. The term was coined by Stalin btw.
rdwarz OP t1_jddsbal wrote
what?
ivan_alekseichuk t1_jddslvm wrote
A useful idiot is the chap with the hammer and sickle banner.
jgyimesi t1_jddshf3 wrote
Wondering if France has something right
rdwarz OP t1_jddsxcw wrote
we had things right before but our president is doing his best to ruin everything
cedric1918 t1_jdeim43 wrote
Right, Hollande was better ?
SladeBrockett t1_jdhfzwm wrote
except for basic math skills, apparently
Chambawamba1995 t1_jde04bc wrote
You’d better choose Russian bitch LePan?
rdwarz OP t1_jde2xld wrote
- it's not LePan it's Le Pen
- you know there are more than 2 political party in france
edit : can someone explain to me why this comment is getting downvoted?
LowFatWaterBottle t1_jdefgks wrote
Name one thing he did to ruin the country
rdwarz OP t1_jdefyh0 wrote
he cuts taxes to benefit the rich
LowFatWaterBottle t1_jdeg3e1 wrote
Fair enough, that is really shitty
Dombeady t1_jdejnr1 wrote
HA! Seems to be going around.
Cold-Fuel4701 t1_jddr13q wrote
I dont know much about France, do most people retire comfortably there?
rdwarz OP t1_jdds2sd wrote
some retire very comfortably and some can't afford to stop working
Cold-Fuel4701 t1_jdds67g wrote
Not much different than the states then.
rdwarz OP t1_jde4plq wrote
it's globally better tho
cedric1918 t1_jdeiti3 wrote
Except they have easy acces to medical stuff 😶
Cold-Fuel4701 t1_jdelocr wrote
That we do not, unless you pay with your first born child.
rdwarz OP t1_jdevgia wrote
you can count on macron to ruin that too
offshore1100 t1_jdft0ac wrote
You do realize that retirees in the US have healthcare provided right?
Cold-Fuel4701 t1_jdhsnnw wrote
Yeah I do. I was referring to the other 85% of the population as I forgot we were talking about retirees.
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ziyusong t1_jdeuyn0 wrote
Communism
FXSTCGATOR t1_jdfau8c wrote
That’s the only fighting they are good at is with themselves
DoggoBind t1_jdg4oa8 wrote
c*mmusism 🤢
PlzMichaelBayThis t1_jdg8pzi wrote
This would have to be close to the Fibonacci sequence.
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Capable-Career9595 t1_jdq2d9d wrote
Chel cool
oneryarlys68 t1_jdeuens wrote
A historic picture right there! Well done. You captured history!
PreacherOfFlames t1_jdewhov wrote
most the people in the image are there because the alternative would be a boring evening in the basement.
Cepton t1_jdeznhf wrote
Most of these people voted for Macron and his program, now they are complaining because he's doing his program, they are truly and deeply stupid...
rdwarz OP t1_jdf0lg2 wrote
please just shut the fuck up
Cepton t1_jdf2til wrote
I know the reality hurts but that's true.
But thanks for the rude empty comments, that's what i said, stupid people.
rdwarz OP t1_jdf50pr wrote
>I know the reality hurts but that's true.
you need to be really fucking stupid to think that people voted for macron because of his program, everyone knows it was to block Le Pen
Cepton t1_jdf7eth wrote
I know these stupid and naïve fools thought that Macron will not do his program to thanks them... That is hillarious...
I can fill some rage and anger are you part of them ? :D
rdwarz OP t1_jdf9zgg wrote
>these stupid and naïve fools thought that Macron will not do his program to thanks them
- literally nobody tought that, we just wanted to avoid Le Pen at all cost
- being president doesn't allow Macron to do whatever he wants, he's supposed to represent the people
- Macron doesn't even keep his promises like purging the governement from corruption
putain de macroniste de merde
Cepton t1_jdfbyvi wrote
You should understand democracy, he was elected for a program, he's doing it, period...
Le Pen is a joke and French people are so easy to be fooled by Media...
rdwarz OP t1_jdfd1eg wrote
>he was elected for a program
are you just going to repeat the same stupid argument over and over again?
>Le Pen is a joke
yes that's why we voted for Macron
>French people are so easy to be fooled by Media...
most self aware macronist
lil-rong69 t1_jdg9wzy wrote
My question is why give your government so much power. Just in hope they do the right and knows how to work the numbers.
At least in the us, we knew we could not rely on the SSA. That’s why people save up 401k, other form of investment. And if math checks out people can retire much early(50s or even 40s).
It’s like trusting the us government with more tax dollar to bring equality but they in turn invest in invading other countries. Just funny, you know.
PilotBurner44 t1_jdgpeiq wrote
One could say the same about the States. We're Forced to pay SS tax that is constantly under threat of failing, that is then paid back at a substantially lower rate than what was paid in. 401k has many vast tax implications, limits, and restrictions, and saving enough with it for a comfortable or even livable retirement is a luxury few middle economic class and lower people have. Lots of people in this country work into their 60s and 70s having financially struggled most of their working life, only to retire and continue to financially struggle for the remainder of their life.
lil-rong69 t1_jdhciju wrote
I’m saying the exact same thing you are saying. It’s garbage. Why are we giving more power to shitty program just in the hope that it will get better
Next-Mobile-9632 t1_jddqnsm wrote
Faces lit up by fire
rdwarz OP t1_jdds89q wrote
actually it was a flare
somo1230 t1_jde8suj wrote
Seriously, are they really angry or trying to have some fun?!
rdwarz OP t1_jdegat4 wrote
why not both?
Asimpbarb t1_jde3ups wrote
Lazy ass commie haha
No-Bus-4529 t1_jde7u5p wrote
Ah yes communism, the solution to all of liberal arts majors problems.