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Objective-Passion-90 t1_j5lfchm wrote

Reply to comment by Sookmebeautiful in For people that force their dogs to be vegan. 🤦🏻‍♂️ by Hung_Hefty_Parsnip

animal abuse is the industrialised slaughter of billions of sentient creatures

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Freebite t1_j5lj55e wrote

I find this argument extremely lacking in persuasive power to lead people to more vegetarian diets. It often comes across as aggressive and accusatory, something people tend to get defensive over and thus more "against" you as their interlocutor. It'd be much better instead to focus on the proven environmental and health benefits of eating much less, or even no, meat/animal products.

The emotional "it's animal abuse" argument is totally countered by one simple statement.

"I don't care"

And because it's an appeal to emotion it doesn't actually really matter if it seems inconsistent either with their response to "well would you eat your dog" for which is a common retort to that.

Edited for clarity on what my whole point here actually was.

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Objective-Passion-90 t1_j5lnwc2 wrote

you do what you want

I don't care

your lack of any empathy is your problem

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Freebite t1_j5looz4 wrote

Ah so doubling down on the accusations. Nice. I wouldn't really call it a lack of empathy as much as simple human nature. Do you get heartbroken over someone dying whom you've never met and have no ties to? No? Then you have a lack of empathy by this logic. This is also why the appeal to emotion argument often holds no real weight in my experience.

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Objective-Passion-90 t1_j5lqw07 wrote

Dried cat and dog food is sold on % protein.

Premium foods having higher protein levels

What is this protein?

it is a product called chicken flour.

Chicken flour is the end of meat processing. Anything left after mechanical recovery is dehydrated and then ground into a meal.

Vegan pet food replaces that protein with soya. Vegan pet food is fortified with taurine.

Whilst perfectly safe for dogs the jury is out on vegan cat food as a total replacement.

The antipathy towards vegetable based dog food is pathetic.

I have seen every commercially farmed animal slaughtered and processed. It should be mandatory for plus 16 year olds to visit a slaughterhouse and witness the realities of modern industrial meat processing.

So happy to see billions of animals killed but horrified that a dog is fed a perfectly safe vegetable based alternative

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Freebite t1_j5ltmhj wrote

Did you see me say anything about the dog being fed a vegetarian diet? No. I was simply giving advice on how you might convince more people to adjust their eating habits in a better way with the added benefit of explaining why your current manner of arguing for it is flawed. That appeal to emotion argument works for some, but not a lot, of people. If that's somehow "evil" then feel free to ignore everything I've said.

As for 16 year olds visiting things like that, i honestly agree. That's around the age where you should be shown some uncomfortable stuff, and allow them to come to their own conclusions for these topics. It may work to help lower meat consumption, it may also do almost nothing at all. I've seen it myself, and while it's not, lets say ideal for the animal, it is efficient and for the amount we eat as a society, that efficiency is kind of required.

If we ate less, I'm not even arguing for none either necessarily, we could significantly lower the need for industrialized animal farming like that. It would have a ton of benefits.

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Sookmebeautiful t1_j5lk1qn wrote

Forcing an animal to be vegan is abuse not “emotional”

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Freebite t1_j5lkrd3 wrote

Notice how i made no comment at all about feeding an animal a vegan diet in my comment? Yeah there is a reason for that lol. I edited it a bit to make it more clear the specific thing i was targeting in my response though.

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