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Excelius t1_jahxks6 wrote

Reply to comment by timesuck in As construction begins on Atlanta’s “Cop City,” Pittsburghers are concerned about an allegedly similar local project by LostEnroute

Cost overruns have always been the reality for big government projects.

Plus we can't ignore the unfortunate reality that costs for everything have ballooned between when the project was initially planned, and now. The city isn't immune to the inflationary conditions we've all been dealing with.

> Nemacolin for cops

Is there any indication that the proposed Pittsburgh project is needlessly "luxurious" or are activists just lazily parroting the talking points from a controversy in another city?

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timesuck t1_jai3bth wrote

It’s a state of the art, top of the line facility they have no pressing need for, so I’d say the comparison to a resort is pretty apt.

I love that you bring up cost overruns and inflation, when my entire comment was about how this facility is not needed. We can easily avoid the inflation on this project by not building it. Would much rather deal with ballooning costs on projects that will actually positively impact the residents of this city directly.

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Excelius t1_jaic0rf wrote

Your conclusion that it's unnecessary and fills no pressing need is based on... what analysis exactly?

The city does claim that it would save millions of dollars by centralizing existing facilities, and in theory those freed up properties could be sold off and returned to tax roles. How many of those facilities are at the end of their life and need major renovations regardless?

The shooting range is supposed to be indoors, which would replace the outdoor police firing range in Highland Park which I know has been the source of occasional complaints about the sound of gunshots in this very sub in the past.

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timesuck t1_jaii54m wrote

And your opinion that we do need this facility is based on. . .what analysis exactly? The cops saying we need it?

The vast majority of the savings the city claimed they were getting when this project was first proposed were from consolidating all public safety services and the public works facility in The Strip. Those savings are now gone, because those departments are no longer included in the plan.

There are existing plans to enclose the shooting range that don’t involve spending $120 mil on a whole new facility. The cops have also been offered the use of the North Park shooting range owned by the count, but they refuse to use it. So if this were really about solving that problem, we could have done it years ago.

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Excelius t1_jaikcw3 wrote

> And your opinion that we do need this facility is based on. . .what analysis exactly?

I've never actually said it was needed. I wanted to know your reasoning for concluding it was wasteful and unnecessary.

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timesuck t1_jaioobb wrote

lmao ok, so this is a “I’m just asking questions” situation. Forget it.

I just saw your flare. Maybe you’ve missed most of the news about this over the years because you don’t live in the city?

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Zenith2017 t1_jaj53jn wrote

He's obsessed because he's a gun nut so loves cops

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Excelius t1_jaiqs31 wrote

What exactly do you think I've missed?

I already know the answer to my question, but I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt and give you a chance to explain your reasoning.

The answer is that any sort of reasoned analysis doesn't exist. It's kneejerk bandwagon activism based on little more than "cops are bad" and the vague similarity to the controversial project in Atlanta. The City Paper article spends more time on the situation in Atlanta than it does reporting anything meaningful about the Pittsburgh project.

I have no idea if the proposal in it's original or current state was a good use of taxpayer resources, and I'm virtually certain neither do you.

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timesuck t1_jaivn8l wrote

Explain my reasoning to someone who is ignoring most of what I’m saying and has basically admitted in this last comment they’re debating in bad faith?

Oh boy what a fantastic opportunity how could I pass that up

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Lil_Phantoms_Lawyer t1_jai53rg wrote

>It’s a state of the art, top of the line facility they have no pressing need for, so I’d say the comparison to a resort is pretty apt.

Nemacolin, the famous state of the art, top of the line training facility.

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timesuck t1_jai6xqb wrote

Oh, hello again. You know this thread doesn’t have anything to do with John Fetterman right?

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69FunnyNumberGuy420 t1_jaicbdj wrote

> Cost overruns have always been the reality for big government projects.

 
Fixed that for you

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